[nagdu] Guides at NFB training centers

Mon Aug 31 23:25:17 UTC 2015

Nope! Just that the majority of the officers have to be blind. 

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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Star Gazer via
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Cc: Star Gazer
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guides at NFB training centers

				I thought that the difference between ACB
and NFB was that in ACB sighted folks could vote and be full members,
whereas in NFB they could not. 
Who knows where I got that idea from. 

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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guides at NFB training centers

Of course sighted folks can join NFB. What gave you the idea they couldn't? 

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> On Aug 31, 2015, at 2:46 PM, Star Gazer via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> 			I don't understand it, I thought sighted folks
> couldn't join NFB? 
> 
> 
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> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
> nagdu
> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 10:17 PM
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> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guides at NFB training centers
> 
> Melissa, How do you know people hit your dog intentionally at the
convention
> with their canes? I mean this in all sincerity. And yes, there is antidog
> literature; it is a part of our history. Of course there are anti dog
folks
> in the NFB. This is a fair sized organization, and there is no doubt that
> element exists. The fact that we have NAGDU at all and that it has the
> strength it does bears out the fact that times they are a-changing. You
will
> always have residual situations, and we have to meet them when we can and
> educate. Some very prestigious people in the NFB won't take me in their
car
> when I have my dog with me; this doesn't make the NFB antidog. I am sorry
> they feel that way, and I would change it if I could, but they claim dogs
> had mussed their car and they had to get a new car as a result. I would
> question it, but it is their right not to approve of dogs and all that.
That
> is not a reflection of the NFB's policy.
> OK, I'm finished and so is my allotment of posts for the day.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of melissa R green
> via nagdu
> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 9:11 PM
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> Cc: melissa R green <graduate56 at juno.com>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guides at NFB training centers
> 
> I know some people may not
> want to hear this.  However,
> there are people that are
> antidog in the Nfb.  I have
> experienced this recently at
> convention.  When my girl was
> intentionally hit with canes.
> And of course it will trickle
> down to the centers.  Many of
> our past leaders were not dog
> users, and there are some
> antidog things written in the
> literature.  But this is why
> we have Nagdu, right?  
> 
> Warmly,
> Melissa R. Green and Pj
> It is 'where we are' that
> should make all the
> difference, whether we believe
> we belong there or not. 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu
> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.o
> rg] On Behalf Of Debby
> Phillips via nagdu
> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015
> 3:17 PM
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> National Association of Guide
> Dog Users; nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Debby Phillips;
> dandrews at visi.com
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guides at
> NFB training centers
> 
> David, I actually think this
> is a good idea.  I would
> think,
> however that people would need
> to have some training with
> their
> dogs first before coming to
> the Center.  But a Center
> could do
> travel training with dogs,
> philosophy, Braille, tech
> training,
> everything.  Plus dog stuff,
> like taking pride in your dog
> and
> your skills that you have
> worked for.  It would be a
> little
> different than the other
> Centers, but it could
> definitely be
> done.  I don't see why dog
> users can't walk with our dogs
> with
> just as much pride and freedom
> as people do with canes.
> Debby
> and Nova
> 
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