[nagdu] relieving surfaces was Introduction

Tue Dec 1 22:18:36 UTC 2015

I understand she is a dog and she will need to go when she needs to go. I live in Arizona though and there are cactus everywhere so I can't just pull over and go when she has to stop. I give her plenty of opportunities. I don't expect her to walk miles with no opportunity to relieve herself. I just have to make sure we are in a safe place before she does so. I also work on college campus so I can't have her relieving in the middle of busy areas or I may get my hand stepped on trying to pick it up. I know you don't know me, so you don't know that I do care for my dog and do not have expectations for her that are too high.

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On Dec 1, 2015, at 2:49 PM, Raven Tolliver via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:

The issue is not discerning between the sidewalk and a "parking spot."
The issue is that your dog is relieving herself outside of when she is
given a cue that it is okay.
I think the "no poop, no route," is a bit extreme. I understand you
don't want her to go on route, but you cannot force your dog to poop
in a certain place at the time you choose. She's gotta go when she's
gotta go, so if she only needs to poop after some exercise, it means
she'll likely not poop before walking some. And I dunno 'bout you, but
waiting for my dog to poop for 15-20 mins would get old fast.

Perhaps you can work with reteaching your dog that the harness has to
come off before it is okay to poop. She learned this as a pup, but
perhaps a retraining of this concept should be in the works.

I know you weren't expecting this. All of us have to do retraining to
some extent when we get dogs who didn't live in a house for 3-12
months.
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> On 12/1/15, Morgan Leland via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I agree that grass is preferable and dogs probably will not need to be
> trained for that. I was told that if you don't consistently use concrete in
> the beginning they may choose not to go on it again in the future, and in
> Arizona there will be times I have no other option than concrete. So, if she
> starts getting squeamish about going on concrete, we could have some real
> issues. I was worried that having her go on concrete was the reason she was
> choosing to use the sidewalk, but I have been assured by my trainers that is
> probably not the case. Because I have some flexibility now I am just going
> to try having her go and then do our routes. No poop, no route. Hopefully
> this gets resolved before things get real and I don't have much of a
> choice.
> 
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> 
> On Dec 1, 2015, at 1:53 PM, Cindy Ray via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Now, I just had a driveway, steps, and a patio, but the term was concrete.
> I
> did not know that difference. The Seeing Eye's dog relieve on a hard
> surface, but I have never had one come home, see the grass in my yard, and
> say, "Ah, I think concrete is wonderful." It was more likely to say, "Ah,
> Grass!"
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J. via
> nagdu
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> Cc: Julie J. <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] relieving surfaces was Introduction
> 
> Raven,
> 
> Yes and no.  Cement is a component of concrete.  Most people use the terms
> interchangeably to mean the same thing.   Concrete is a mixture of cement,
> water and fillers, usually crushed rock/gravel.  Cement alone is more
> expensive, but smoother when dry because there is no gravel filler mixed
> in.
> 
> So cement might be used for say a swimming pool or roller skate rink, while
> concrete is used for sidewalks and most other applications.
> 
> A dog isn't going to recognize the difference between cement and concrete.
> Most people don't.  I never knew until doing a home project and looking
> like
> a dork at the home improvement store. *smile*
> 
> I don't teach my dogs to relieve on concrete.  I've had very little
> problems
> with relieving in harness on route.  I don't know if that's related or
> coincidence.  I live in an area with abundant grass/gravel/woodchip/dirt
> readily available.  So as long as I continue to live in this sort of area,
> I
> will continue to not allow concrete relieving at any time.
> 
> Julie
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Raven Tolliver via nagdu
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction
> 
> Cement and concrete are 2 different things, aren't they? Just asking,
> 'cause
> I think those are 2 different surfaces.
> --
> Raven
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> 
> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you have or
> what you do.
> 
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> 
>> On 11/30/15, Debby Phillips via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Even in class, Nova would not poop on cement.  She would pee,
>> reluctantly.  Finally I just started taking her to some grass.
>> My instructor said that there are some dogs who just will not go on
>> concrete, unless they are totally desperate.  We tried walking her and
>> walking her, I even resorted to singing.  Lol.  I'd never seen a dog
>> as stubborn about going on concrete, or not going, rather.  She will
>> go in dirt, which is good, because sometimes
>> when away from home, that's all I've been able to find.    Debby
>> and Nova who HATES pooping on concrete
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