[nagdu] Badly behaved dogs was Re: FWD: Arizona - URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT; HB2179 AMENDMENT MAKES SIGNIFICANT CHANGESTO RIGHTSOF PERSONS WHO USE SERVICE ANIMALS

Mon Feb 23 17:23:08 UTC 2015

It is hard to know what to do when it is someone you probably will
never see again.  We don't know what has happened before to make a dog
act in an aggressive manner.  Is just barking or growling aggressive?
If the person does not try to get the dog under control there is a
problem.  If possible, you might try to engage the person with the dog
in a conversation to see if this is normal behavior and let that
person know it is making it hard for others to work. If this is a
continual problem with the same dog you should bring it to the
attention of personnel where it happens.

On 2/23/15, Mark J. Cadigan via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
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> Regarding badly behaved service dogs, I have been on both ends of that
> spectrum. My dog sometimes gets vocal with other dogs, and all I do is just
> try to settle him down. The other dogs are in no danger, but it looks ugly
> and like my dog is going to fly off the handle. Fortunately, he is able to
> be redirected and go on with working, but, it’s disconcerting for all
> involved for my dog to decide to bark at another dog for no good reason.
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tara Briggs via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>; "NAGDU Mailing List,the
> National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 1:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] FWD: Arizona - URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT;HB2179
> AMENDMENT MAKES SIGNIFICANT CHANGESTO RIGHTSOF PERSONS WHO USE SERVICE
> ANIMALS
>
>
>> Dear all:
>> The other evening, I was sitting on our commuter train when a lady got on
>> with a very aggressive dog. Supposedly, it was a service dog. Fortunately,
>>
>> she was near the middle of the train and I was near the front. What ideas
>> do any of you have for fake service dogs or extremely poorly behaved
>> Service dogs?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Marion Gwizdala via nagdu
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Julie,
>>>
>>>    We have such a bill pending in Florida. NAGDU neither supports nor
>>> opposes the measure, as there are also a few positive parts of it, such
>>> as better defining a service animal so the state law is congruent with
>>> the ADA. The problem, as I see it, is enforcement. The measure may be a
>>> deterrent, but I don't think a single person will be charged under it.
>>>
>>> Fraternally yours,
>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J. via
>>> nagdu
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 4:21 PM
>>> To: Tara Briggs; NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>>> Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] FWD: Arizona - URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT; HB2179
>>> AMENDMENT MAKES SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO RIGHTSOF PERSONS WHO USE SERVICE
>>> ANIMALS
>>>
>>> ADI is Assistance Dogs International.  The problem with stopping fake
>>> service dogs is the way in which lawmakers want to accomplish it.  I'm
>>> all for no fake service dogs or better yet, no ill behaved dogs, but not
>>> at the expense of perfectly law abiding citizens rights. So far, I have
>>> seen no proposed law that addresses the real issue of ill behaved dogs
>>> while not infringing on the rights of law abiding citizens.  When a law
>>> like that is proposed, I'll be the first one to show my support.
>>>
>>> Julie
>>> Courage to Dare: A Blind Woman's Quest to Train her Own Guide Dog is now
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Tara Briggs via nagdu
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 2:50 PM
>>> To: Marion Gwizdala ; NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of
>>> Guide
>>> Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] FWD: Arizona - URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT;HB2179
>>> AMENDMENT MAKES SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO RIGHTSOF PERSONS WHO USE SERVICE
>>> ANIMALS
>>>
>>> Hi, I have been following this thread with great interest. What is a DI?
>>> Why
>>> is the CCI campaign against fake service dogs problematic? I am very
>>> grateful The bill didn't pass!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Feb 19, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Marion Gwizdala via nagdu
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Making changes to the ADA will be very challenging, as it will begin
>>>> with a Notice of Proposed Rule Making (NPRM) after which there will be a
>>>> period of comment. You can be assured NAGDU's voice, on behalf of the
>>>> NFB,
>>>> will be heard. We have developed an excellent working relationship with
>>>> those who promulgate the rules and they are listening to what we say!
>>>> Though CCI and ADI may want to be the certifying body, we will
>>>> vehemently
>>>> oppose such regressive policies!
>>>>
>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
>>>> nagdu
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 9:44 PM
>>>> To: 'Michael Hingson'; 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of
>>>> Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] FWD: Arizona - URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT; HB2179
>>>> AMENDMENT MAKES SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO RIGHTS OF PERSONS WHO USE SERVICE
>>>> ANIMALS
>>>>
>>>> It would seem that Arizona will be pushing Congress to change the ADA
>>>> though, and I am not sure but what we will have to work really hard.
>>>> That
>>>> is such an amazing step back into the dark ages.
>>>> Cindy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael
>>>> Hingson
>>>> via nagdu
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 6:37 PM
>>>> To: 'Ginger Kutsch'; 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of
>>>> Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] FWD: Arizona - URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT; HB2179
>>>> AMENDMENT MAKES SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO RIGHTS OF PERSONS WHO USE SERVICE
>>>> ANIMALS
>>>>
>>>> The legislature also does not understand disabilities well nor does it
>>>> seem to recognize what service dogs do.  At least some legislators do
>>>> not
>>>> seem to understand.
>>>>
>>>> States do not trump Federal law in any case, but this law shows that we
>>>> must be ever vigilant.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael Hingson
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ginger Kutsch
>>>> via nagdu
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 4:07 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] FWD: Arizona - URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT; HB2179
>>>> AMENDMENT
>>>> MAKES SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO RIGHTS OF PERSONS WHO USE SERVICE ANIMALS
>>>>
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>
>>>> From: Larry Wanger <larry at azsilc.org>
>>>> Date: February 18, 2015 at 1:16:14 PM MST
>>>> Subject: URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT; HB2179 AMENDMENT MAKES SIGNIFICANT
>>>> CHANGES TO RIGHTS OF PERSONS WHO USE SERVICE ANIMALS
>>>>
>>>> The following information is provided in order to share information
>>>> regarding legislation pending in the Arizona House of Representatives
>>>> that
>>>> will impact the rights of persons with disabilities.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Legislation that will significantly impact the rights of persons with
>>>> disabilities who utilize the assistance of a service animal will be
>>>> heard
>>>> in the House Government and higher Education Committee at 9:00am
>>>> tomorrow,
>>>> Thursday February 19 in House hearing Room 1. This legislation is an
>>>> amendment to HB2179 and will make significant changes to current state
>>>> statutes regarding the rights of individuals with service animals
>>>> including:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ·         Requiring that individuals who use service animals obtain a
>>>> permit from the Arizona Department of health Services in order to take
>>>> their service animal in to a public place and that such permit be
>>>> renewed
>>>> on a regular basis.
>>>>
>>>> ·         As part of the permit process, an individual will be required
>>>> to
>>>> apply to the Department of Health Services and provide documentation
>>>> from
>>>> a medical professional certifying the applicant has a disability.
>>>>
>>>> ·         Requiring that a service animal wear a vest, also issued by
>>>> the
>>>> Department of Health Services at all times when in a public place. This
>>>> vest will display permit information.
>>>>
>>>> ·         Allows restaurants to block access for persons with service
>>>> animals in order to meet local and or state health code regulations.
>>>>
>>>> ·         Requires the Department of Health services to develop a sign
>>>> for
>>>> restaurants to display indicating that service animals are not permitted
>>>> and that a separate sign for other public businesses not serving food be
>>>> created that indicates service animals are allowed.
>>>>
>>>> ·         Requires the Department of Health Services to petition the
>>>> United States Department of Justice requesting that the Americans with
>>>> Disabilities Act be updated to comply with state law.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Additionally, the following language is included at the end of the
>>>> amendment:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The legislature finds that the Americans with disabilities act of 1990
>>>> may
>>>> endanger the health and safety of the public, place an undue burden on
>>>> businesses and others and conflict with state and local health codes.
>>>> State and local health codes shall supersede the Americans with
>>>> disabilities act of
>>>>
>>>> 1990."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have attached the full text of the amendment to HB2179 for your
>>>> review.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Larry Wanger, Executive Director
>>>>
>>>> Arizona Statewide Independent Living Council
>>>>
>>>> 5025 E. Washington Street, Suite 214
>>>>
>>>> Phoenix, AZ. 85034
>>>>
>>>> 602-262-2900 (Voice/TTY)
>>>>
>>>> 602-271-4100 (Fax)
>>>>
>>>> larry at azsilc.org
>>>>
>>>> www.azsilc.org
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