[nagdu] What's up with all the scavenging anyhow?

[Kaye Kipp]

Most of the schools do treat train now.  I can see where it could lead to
scavenging.

Kaye

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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vivianna via
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] What's up with all the scavenging anyhow?

Yes, GDF does treat train.

Vivianna

> On Jul 1, 2015, at 9:26 AM, Applebutter Hill via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Hi Vivianna,
> I didn't realize that the schools were doing this. This is a major 
> step down IMO. I can understand the use of treats by a handler if the 
> dog develops some sort of aversion based on a bad experience; we 
> recently talked about dogs slipping when they jumped into SUV's and 
> not wanting to go to a certain location like work. Those incidents are 
> far different  than training a dog from scratch using treats. It goes 
> against everything I was ever taught in the past with my four guides. 
> I'd like to know if GDF is doing this. And, I can't imagine that this
practice wouldn't lead to scavenging.
> Donna & Hunter
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vivianna 
> via nagdu
> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 1:51 AM
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> Cc: Vivianna
> Subject: [nagdu] What's up with all the scavenging anyhow?
> 
> ok, here goes a contraversial post.
> i am reading a load of posts about folks having problems with their 
> dogs grabbing things off the ground.  it seems that, this is the most 
> common problem that folks seem to be having with the second being dog
distractions.
> do you think that, since many schools are using food to train the dogs 
> that this problem has come up?  i have had several guides and have 
> never had a dog try and carry things around.  i also never use food as 
> a reward for my dog.
> i am just so totally against feeding my dog treats in order to get her 
> to guide me properly.
> from what i read, dogs are grabbing things off the ground while 
> actually guiding, while lying on a bus or train, in restaurants, in 
> stores, while relieving, etc.
> for me, and, this is just my own preference, i could not work with a 
> dog that did this.  i can put up with some behaviors but, this is 
> definitely not one of them.
> folks seem to think that it's ok to treat the dog for good behavior 
> and then they wonder why he's so focused on food.  i have even had 3 
> labs and, they didn't want to carry things around.
> for a pet, yeah, maybe it's cute to see the dog carrying around toys 
> in public, but, a guide dog?  this should be a professionally trained 
> dog doing a professional job, looking out for the handler.
> i think that, if the dogs were trained without the use of treats this 
> would be way less common.
> this is all only my opinion and things that i, personally could not
handle.
> i have probably offended some but, maybe, i may just caused some to 
> think about the food-based training a bit.
> 
> Vivianna
> 
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