[nagdu] The other resolution, was RE: The membership has spoken, and I am disappointed

Fri Jul 10 15:58:00 UTC 2015

Missed the Sunday stream because we are soccer fans around here! Tuesdays feed came on late. I knew about the first resolution but not the second. 

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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Deanna Lewis via nagdu
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] The other resolution, was RE: The membership has spoken, and I am disappointed

Julie,
I totally agree, it would have been nice to be informed of the happenings ahead of time. I tried to listen to the Nagdu streaming, but I couldn't hear much, except for people's cell phones talking. I did not know about the ownership resolution until Buddy posted about it. I saw mention about the NAC and Leader Dogs resolution on another list. So, you are not the only one who lives under a rock /smiles/.
Deanna

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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J. via nagdu
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] The other resolution, was RE: The membership has spoken, and I am disappointed

I have no words.  Perhaps I just live under a rock, but I didn't even know there was a second resolution.  If NAGDU is going to propose resolutions it would have been nice if there had been announcements here and on the Facebook page.  We need to know what the issues are, what the resolutions are, what the entities involved are, what it would mean for the future of guide dog use  and have the opportunity to ask questions beforehand, so we can make an informed vote.

It's very clear from the recent messages that I'm not the only one that didn't know about the resolutions, completely understand them and we obviously don't have agreement even within NAGDU.  If we don't have significant support within NAGDU how exactly do we suppose that the whole organization is going to understand or support our resolutions?

Maybe I'm totally out in left field.  I'm not at convention and didn't therefore have the opportunity to vote.  I am well aware of the NFB's view on resolutions, voting and attendance at national conventions.  I also know that guide dog issues are important to me.  I would have very much been appreciative of the opportunity to discuss my views with my state leadership.

Julie
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From: larry d keeler via nagdu
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 9:54 AM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] The other resolution, was RE: The membership has spoken,and I am disappointed

What or who is NAC? I couldn't decide whether I should agree or not. On one hand, who cares where Leader gets there money. On the other, if this NAC is really a bad organization, I can't say because I don't know it.

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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Deanna Lewis via nagdu
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Subject: [nagdu] The other resolution, was RE: The membership has spoken, and I am disappointed

Did the other Nagdu resolution go through? The one about Leader Dogs and NAC? Just curious...
Deanna

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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha Dudley via nagdu
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 10:31 AM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] The membership has spoken, and I am disappointed

Resolutions are policies of the NFB. So, since the resolution says that the NFB should urge guide dog schools to provide immediate ownership, then that's what the NFB would do. We would urge the schools to change their policies on ownership. With the urging of the organization, it is hoped that the schools would change their policies. But the point is that the NFB would now be actively opposing policies of anything but absolute ownership.  I hope that helps.

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> On Jul 10, 2015, at 10:26 AM, Shannon Dyer via nagdu 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
> Hi, all.
>
> I mean no disrespect here. I’m just seeking to understand the 
> resolution better.
>
> So, if it had passed, how would this have affected the schools? For 
> example, if I chose to go to a school that did not grant immediate 
> ownership, how would this resolution have helped me? My understanding 
> is that the guide dog schools are independent entities. How does this 
> resolution get them to change their policies?
>
> Curiously,
> Shannon and the Acelet
>> On Jul 9, 2015, at 9:59 PM, Becky Sabo via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hey Tina, I agree it shouldn't not gone to the rollcall upstate. At 
>> least it did not go through. Becky Sabo
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 9, 2015, at 9:44 PM, Tina Thomas via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org 
>> <mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Well to be truthfully honest it never should've went to a rollcall 
>> states it was obvious that the nose had it but hey somebody just 
>> couldn't take the loss so they try to sneak it through by asking for 
>> a rollcall but thank God in the end democracy and justice prevailed
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 9, 2015, at 5:44 PM, Julie J. via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> So this went to a counted vote by the state delegates?  Where can I 
>>> go to see which state voted which way?
>>>
>>> And was this announced on this list?  I honestly had no idea this 
>>> resolution was being presented until it was way too late to talk to 
>>> the people in my state about it.  Hopefully they know my thoughts on 
>>> the subject, but I'm not there and it bothers me that I didn't know 
>>> to be able to explain my views beforehand.
>>>
>>> Julie
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