[nagdu] The membership has spoken, and I am disappointed

[margo and isis]

Hear, hear!  Ditto, Mike!

Margo and Isis

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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael Hingson
via nagdu
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 8:33 AM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Cc: Michael Hingson
Subject: Re: [nagdu] The membership has spoken, and I am disappointed

Hi,

Actually, why is it different with ownership than without? The Seeing Eye
has granted ownership since its beginning. As TSE and the other four
schools that grant ownership know the dogs are protected under law and the
dogs are in  no more danger if ownership is granted.

On the other hand, schools have taken dogs away from handlers without any
kind of due process. Who protects the consumers? This is an issue as old as
time. Who has the rights, the dogs or the consumers. I stand with the
consumers. Yes dogs need to be protected. If schools accept students who do
not treat their guides well then who is at fault? The schools, of course.
They did not do as good a job of screening as they should have done.

No, ownership should be granted and the schools should have enough faith in
their graduates and in their own processes that they give the ownership
that they should provide. 


Regards,


Michael Hingson

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marianne Denning
via nagdu
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 5:18 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: Marianne Denning
Subject: Re: [nagdu] The membership has spoken, and I am disappointed

Tina, I also thought the vote was no but I thought that might have been
where I was sitting.  I voted no because my concern is for the well being
of the dog.  Who speaks up for and protects them?

On 7/9/15, Tina Thomas via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Well to be truthfully honest it never should've went to a rollcall 
> states it was obvious that the nose had it but hey somebody just 
> couldn't take the loss so they try to sneak it through by asking for a 
> rollcall but thank God in the end democracy and justice prevailed
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 9, 2015, at 5:44 PM, Julie J. via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> So this went to a counted vote by the state delegates?  Where can I 
>> go to see which state voted which way?
>>
>> And was this announced on this list?  I honestly had no idea this 
>> resolution was being presented until it was way too late to talk to 
>> the people in my state about it.  Hopefully they know my thoughts on 
>> the subject, but I'm not there and it bothers me that I didn't know 
>> to be able to explain my views beforehand.
>>
>> Julie
>>
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Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
(513) 607-6053

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