[nagdu] The NFB got vote correct on ownership.

Fri Jul 10 16:52:02 UTC 2015

If the schools did not have blind people to train guide dogs then they would
find otherways to provide work for then selves, such as dogs for vets and
lot easer for dog schools to raise money when it comes vets, thay could get
government to pay cost of dog training. If we come to much of bother to them
tthay will find other ways to make money and provide for staf and operation.
The NFB for long time was notin favor of guide dogs thay felt that blind
person should be able to get around with out guide dog use a white cane. The
NFB stands for blind people beeing treated like rest and have respect.
Sighted public does not get dogs or lot of things for free. Please
understand me the next time I go for guide dog, I will try to pay one by
self or my family if I can find money to do that. Yes I have found that
because school given me a guide dog Ihave giving up some freedom and there
is cost to my respect.

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When people were discussing this resolution, I kept hearing about our dogs
are gifts given to us and all this money is being paid so we can have guide
dogs.  Yes, a guide dog is one way to independently travel but I think many
people are romanticizing this or something.

Margo and Isis

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Howard,
Where would we be if people didn't give of their money for guide dogs?
We'd figure it out.  This attitude of being grateful for other people's
charity is IMHO part of the problem.  It takes away or tries to take away a
person's power.  Being told that we should be grateful for the kindness of
others because where would we be without it is something the NFB has fought
for over 75 zears to combat.  
Where would we be without NAC?  Where would we be without schools for the
blind, for countless kinds of charity that we are told to accept be quiet
and be grateful to have. 
Charity comes with a cost, as you said, and I, for one, will not pay it. 
The guide dog programs get quite a bit from their graduates.  The trainers
and support staff get pretty well-paying jobs.  The organization gets great
PR.  The graduates are a fundimental part of the process and without them
there would be no training programs.  So rather than being treated like
children who should be grateful, we should be treated like partners.  With
all the respect and mutual accord that involves. 

 Rox and the kitchen Bitches: 
Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
Pawpower4me at gmail.com
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> On Jul 10, 2015, at 8:13 AM, "Howard J. Levine via nagdu"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi from Howard and guide dog Rhett, the NFB membership got it correct on
the
> question of ownership by the school. In the united states we do not use
> public funds and the government does not provide guide dogs to blind. The
> schools use private funds and they answer to ones who give of there
private
> funds. The ones who pay for our guide dogs call the shops, it cost lot of
> money to provide guide dogs. It cost about fifty thousand dollars to
provide
> guide to blind person. There is no free lunches in world when you get
> something for free or little to no cost you give something up. If blind
> people want respect then we need to come another way to fund cost of
guide
> dog teams in this country or just pull out your check book and pay for
guide
> dog if you want owner ship that how simple it is. Just look at what is
going
> on in Greece you can't have cake and eat it. Just look at our health care
> system when it is free to all then you just get crap. I don't care if I
> don't own my guide dog I am happy that there are others who are willing
to
> pay and lay out large anounts money so I can have guide dog. Where would
we
> be if there would not be others willing to give funds so  we could have
> guide dogs free or little cost.
> 
> 
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