[nagdu] was ownership; is contracts

Fri Jul 10 21:10:14 UTC 2015

Rox, I think you have a pretty good thought here. I would also like to see these posted. I also think it reasonable to ask all schools to share the methods in witch they train their dogs. 
Maybe I'm asking for a little too much. 

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Subject: [nagdu] was ownership; is contracts

Larry has a very good point.  I think, if I were ever to attend a program for a dog in the future, I'd want to read the contracts of every program in which I was interested. 
All of the programs have great PR and marketing.  Slick descriptions of the training experience.  However, the contract is the real picture of how the relationship between program and handler with be conducted. 
With that said, is there a way  NAGDU could undertake a project to get copies of all of the program's contracts and post them to the NAGDU website, so that perspective, and returning handlers can do a little conparison shopping, as it were? 
If a program is reluctent to post their contract online, that, to me, is a red flag. 
Just a thought. 

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> On Jul 10, 2015, at 3:33 PM, larry d keeler via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> I know, but it should! Anyway, looking at scool contracts and basing your decisions on that should work. Now that people are aware that the problem exists and they also know what schools do give ownership maybe people will use there intelligence and figure out what they want! 
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> Brannan via nagdu
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The membership has spoken, and I am disappointed
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> Larry,
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> Much as I wish this were the case, it is not. Julie's interpretation is correct: a resolution is a guiding principle, and of course, the schools are free to ignore it as they choose. So in practical terms, it doesn't change anything except our emphasis and stated belief as an organization.
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>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 11:02 AM, larry d keeler via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> If the resolution had passed, schools would have to give you ownership of your dog after completion of your training! They couldn't take the dog without due process.
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>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shannon 
>> Dyer via nagdu
>> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 10:27 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Shannon Dyer
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The membership has spoken, and I am disappointed
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>> Hi, all.
>> 
>> I mean no disrespect here. I’m just seeking to understand the resolution better.
>> 
>> So, if it had passed, how would this have affected the schools? For example, if I chose to go to a school that did not grant immediate ownership, how would this resolution have helped me? My understanding is that the guide dog schools are independent entities. How does this resolution get them to change their policies?
>> 
>> Curiously,
>> Shannon and the Acelet
>>> On Jul 9, 2015, at 9:59 PM, Becky Sabo via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>>> Hey Tina, I agree it shouldn't not gone to the rollcall upstate. At 
>>> least it did not go through. Becky Sabo
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>>> On Jul 9, 2015, at 9:44 PM, Tina Thomas via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org <mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
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>>> Well to be truthfully honest it never should've went to a rollcall 
>>> states it was obvious that the nose had it but hey somebody just 
>>> couldn't take the loss so they try to sneak it through by asking for 
>>> a rollcall but thank God in the end democracy and justice prevailed
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Jul 9, 2015, at 5:44 PM, Julie J. via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>>>> So this went to a counted vote by the state delegates?  Where can I go to see which state voted which way?
>>>> 
>>>> And was this announced on this list?  I honestly had no idea this resolution was being presented until it was way too late to talk to the people in my state about it.  Hopefully they know my thoughts on the subject, but I'm not there and it bothers me that I didn't know to be able to explain my views beforehand.
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>>>> Julie
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