[nagdu] The membership has spoken, and I am disappointed

Sat Jul 11 18:03:01 UTC 2015

That's true. I didn't change schools over the ownership issue, because after forty years, and the gradual and not so gradual decline in my physical wellbeing and mobility, it was more important to me to stick with a school that knows my needs as well as GDB does. That doesn't mean, however, that I am quiet on the ownership issue, and I will be continuing to let them know how much I want that policy to change. 

Sherry

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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Debby Phillips via nagdu
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It is doubtful to me whether people will really change schools because of ownership. I think there are lots of folks who aren't users of guide dogs within MFB who do not understand the issues. 

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> On Jul 10, 2015, at 10:59 AM, larry d keeler via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Well, until something happens to convince NFB to get on board, it will certainly be wise to read your choice of schools contract. It could make a difference if people start going to schools where ownership is offered and stop going to schools who's contracts don't offer it! Consumer choice! 
> 
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> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J. via nagdu
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The membership has spoken, and I am disappointed
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> Shannon,
> 
> The resolution itself changes nothing at the guide dog schools.  The resolutions are used as guiding principles for the organization.  A positive vote means that the organization will/can actively pursue that goal.  a negative vote means little because the goal can still be pursued, just not with the force of the entire organization behind it.  Once a resolution is passed, the decentors are supposed to keep their dissenting opinions to themselves and support the vote.  However a resolution that didn't pass means that the concept is still up for debate or discussion.  A resolution that doesn't pass isn't considered to be a policy or decision.  For example the resolution we are discussing if passed would mean that the NFB would actively work with the guide dog schools to provide ownership.  since it didn't pass it means nothing.  It doesn't mean that the NFB supports non ownership.  It means the issue is still open and undecided. If folks wanted the NFB's position and support to go to the idea of the schools retaining ownership, then a resolution to that effect would have to be introduced and passed. Perhaps the resolutions could be viewed as a priority list of things the organization wants to accomplish.  At least this is the way I have always understood resolutions.
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> Julie
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> Hi, all.
> 
> I mean no disrespect here. I’m just seeking to understand the resolution better.
> 
> So, if it had passed, how would this have affected the schools? For example, if I chose to go to a school that did not grant immediate ownership, how would this resolution have helped me? My understanding is that the guide dog schools are independent entities. How does this resolution get them to change their policies?
> 
> Curiously,
> Shannon and the Acelet
>> On Jul 9, 2015, at 9:59 PM, Becky Sabo via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> Hey Tina, I agree it shouldn't not gone to the rollcall upstate. At 
>> least it did not go through. Becky Sabo
>> 
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>> On Jul 9, 2015, at 9:44 PM, Tina Thomas via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org 
>> <mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
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>> Well to be truthfully honest it never should've went to a rollcall 
>> states it was obvious that the nose had it but hey somebody just 
>> couldn't take the loss so they try to sneak it through by asking for a 
>> rollcall but thank God in the end democracy and justice prevailed
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Jul 9, 2015, at 5:44 PM, Julie J. via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So this went to a counted vote by the state delegates?  Where can I 
>>> go to see which state voted which way?
>>> 
>>> And was this announced on this list?  I honestly had no idea this 
>>> resolution was being presented until it was way too late to talk to 
>>> the people in my state about it.  Hopefully they know my thoughts on 
>>> the subject, but I'm not there and it bothers me that I didn't know 
>>> to be able to explain my views beforehand.
>>> 
>>> Julie
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