[nagdu] The NFB got vote correct on ownership.

Sun Jul 12 20:23:07 UTC 2015

Hi Marilyn,

Sure you can compare the two. The funding source should not matter. In one sense, the state funding comes from private sources as all of us contribute through our taxes.

Donor preferences should not matter. If the guide dog schools were doing their jobs properly they would show the value of how putting full trust in their graduates make for better teams. 

Regards,

Michael Hingson

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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marilyn tucci via nagdu
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] The NFB got vote correct on ownership.

Hi Michael,
the equipment is yours once the counselor signs it over to  you. you also can't compare guide dogs to equipment. .One is state funded and one is privately funded. Marilyn and Anna

On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 03:08 PM, Michael Hingson via nagdu wrote:

> So here is another question:
>
> If we receive products from our state rehab departments that we use to 
> gain employment do we own them or does the state? Can the state, for 
> example, take away a Braille note it has given to a client or does the 
> client own it?
>
> I suspect that the state could not come and take away a product or 
> device it has given to a client as part of her or his 
> "rehabilitation".
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Michael Hingson
>
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> Brannan via nagdu
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 2:35 PM
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The NFB got vote correct on ownership.
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> So,would you also opine that, since blind people don't privately pay 
> for rehab training, say, from BISM, or an NFB center, or the Helen 
> Keller Institute (whose name I probably got wrong), or the New York 
> Lighthouse, low expectations are OK, because someone else is footing 
> the bill, and we should just be grateful to get what we get? If not, 
> why not, and what's the difference? Discuss.
>
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>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 5:09 PM, Howard J. Levine via nagdu  wrote:
>>
>> Please understand I don't what government or state paying for our 
>> guide dogs, in the united state there are more then one schools and 
>> we have choices where we go for a guide dog. What I was saying if 
>> want more control then be an owner trained guide dog, if you want can 
>> aford to pay some one to train a dog for you then you can and no one 
>> cantell you what you can do as long you don't brak any local or state 
>> laws. When you go to school and some one else is paying for guide 
>> dogs then you give up some fredom that is just way it is in life.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Leye-Shprintse Öberg via nagdu
>> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 3:44 PM
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>> Cc: Leye-Shprintse Öberg
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The NFB got vote correct on ownership.
>>
>> BS'D
>>
>> Howard,
>>
>> How would state (tax) funded guide dogs makes it more realistic with 
>> ownerships of the dogs for the handlers? (It's how I read your 
>> comment about statefunded vs. charity funded guide dogs anyway.)
>>
>> In Sweden, our guide dogs are financed by the government (taxes) and 
>> we've no ownerships; we've a disposal right to our dogs; and 
>> personally, I think it sucks.
>>
>> LeSholom,
>> Mlle Leye-Shprintse Öberg
>> Stockholm, Suède
>> leyeshprintse at ymail.com
>> http://www.leyeshprintse.com
>> Envoyé de mon iPad
>>
>>> Le 10 juil. 2015 à 15:13, Howard J. Levine via nagdu  a écrit :
>>>
>>> Hi from Howard and guide dog Rhett, the NFB membership got it 
>>> correct on the question of ownership by the school. In the united 
>>> states we do not use public funds and the government does not 
>>> provide guide dogs to blind. The schools use private funds and they 
>>> answer to ones who give of there private funds. The ones who pay for 
>>> our guide dogs call the shops, it cost lot of money to provide guide 
>>> dogs. It cost about fifty thousand dollars to provide guide to blind 
>>> person. There is no free lunches in world when you get something for 
>>> free or little to no cost you give something up. If blind people 
>>> want respect then we need to come another way to fund cost of guide 
>>> dog teams in this country or just pull out your check book and pay 
>>> for guide dog if you want owner ship that how simple it is. Just 
>>> look at what is going on in Greece you can't have cake and eat it. 
>>> Just look at our health care system when it is free to all then you 
>>> just get crap. I don't care if I don't own my guide dog I am happy 
>>> that there are others who are willing to pay and lay out large 
>>> anounts money so I can have guide dog. Where would we be if there 
>>> would not be others willing to give funds so  we could have guide 
>>> dogs free or little cost.
>>>
>>>
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