[nagdu] The NFB got vote correct on ownership.

Sun Jul 12 20:32:22 UTC 2015

It seems to me that it varies by state. For instance, if my memory isn't failing, I think the braille display I got didn't revert to my ownership for two years, which only meant I couldn't sell it or some such. 

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> On Jul 12, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Michael Hingson via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> So here is another question:
> 
> If we receive products from our state rehab departments that we use to gain employment do we own them or does the state? Can the state, for example, take away a Braille note it has given to a client or does the client own it?
> 
> I suspect that the state could not come and take away a product or device it has given to a client as part of her or his "rehabilitation". 
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> Regards,
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> Michael Hingson
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> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan via nagdu
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> So,would you also opine that, since blind people don't privately pay for rehab training, say, from BISM, or an NFB center, or the Helen Keller Institute (whose name I probably got wrong), or the New York Lighthouse, low expectations are OK, because someone else is footing the bill, and we should just be grateful to get what we get? If not, why not, and what's the difference? Discuss.
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>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 5:09 PM, Howard J. Levine via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> Please understand I don't what government or state paying for our guide dogs, in the united state there are more then one schools and we have choices where we go for a guide dog. What I was saying if want more control then be an owner trained guide dog, if you want can aford to pay some one to train a dog for you then you can and no one cantell you what you can do as long you don't brak any local or state laws. When you go to school and some one else is paying for guide dogs then you give up some fredom that is just way it is in life.
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>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Leye-Shprintse Öberg via nagdu
>> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 3:44 PM
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>> Cc: Leye-Shprintse Öberg
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The NFB got vote correct on ownership.
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>> BS'D
>> 
>> Howard,
>> 
>> How would state (tax) funded guide dogs makes it more realistic with ownerships of the dogs for the handlers? (It's how I read your comment about statefunded vs. charity funded guide dogs anyway.)
>> 
>> In Sweden, our guide dogs are financed by the government (taxes) and we've no ownerships; we've a disposal right to our dogs; and personally, I think it sucks.
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>> LeSholom,
>> Mlle Leye-Shprintse Öberg
>> Stockholm, Suède
>> leyeshprintse at ymail.com
>> http://www.leyeshprintse.com
>> Envoyé de mon iPad
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>>> Le 10 juil. 2015 à 15:13, Howard J. Levine via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> a écrit :
>>> 
>>> Hi from Howard and guide dog Rhett, the NFB membership got it correct on the
>>> question of ownership by the school. In the united states we do not use
>>> public funds and the government does not provide guide dogs to blind. The
>>> schools use private funds and they answer to ones who give of there private
>>> funds. The ones who pay for our guide dogs call the shops, it cost lot of
>>> money to provide guide dogs. It cost about fifty thousand dollars to provide
>>> guide to blind person. There is no free lunches in world when you get
>>> something for free or little to no cost you give something up. If blind
>>> people want respect then we need to come another way to fund cost of guide
>>> dog teams in this country or just pull out your check book and pay for guide
>>> dog if you want owner ship that how simple it is. Just look at what is going
>>> on in Greece you can't have cake and eat it. Just look at our health care
>>> system when it is free to all then you just get crap. I don't care if I
>>> don't own my guide dog I am happy that there are others who are willing to
>>> pay and lay out large anounts money so I can have guide dog. Where would we
>>> be if there would not be others willing to give funds so  we could have
>>> guide dogs free or little cost.
>>> 
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