[nagdu] resolution on ownership

Mon Jul 13 21:20:29 UTC 2015

Hello,
The vote of the State Affiliates was 31-20 with one affiliate obstaning.
This was not even close.
There for, if you bring it back again, you will only find the same result.
What I don't understand, is if you want ownership, go to one of the five schools that give ownership.
Even if this had passed, NAGDU and the NFB will never make schools give ownership, it is something that they will either do or not do.
Take care,

----- Original Message -----
From: larry d keeler via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
To: his'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Date: Monday, July 13, 2015 1:38 pm
Subject: Re: [nagdu] resolution on ownership

>
>
> Well, I feel that some of us won't give up on it. No reason exists for us
> not to be able to own are dogs! I'm sure it'll come back! 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tina Thomas via
> nagdu
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 4:26 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Tina Thomas
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] resolution on ownership
> 
> Cindy- Given the voice vote, demonstrates that not all dog handlers agreed
> with the resolution. The roll call of states was just a formality. The
> resolution failed and it should have. 
> Tina    
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
> nagdu
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 1:05 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Cindy Ray
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] resolution on ownership
> 
> You are probably right to some extent. However, many within NAGDU agreed
> with it; many other dog handlers did, too. My state president polled one
> person, a dog handler, and he said she should vote against it. She did.
> Cindy Lou
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Cannon via
> nagdu
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 2:49 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Aaron Cannon
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] resolution on ownership
> 
> Hi.
> 
> My opinion is that the responsibility for this resolution failing rests
> largely on us, NAGDU.  I think we simply have not done an adequate job of
> informing the general membership of this issue.
> 
> I'm certainly not blaming anyone, just giving my opinion on what happened.
> I think most of us were taken aback by the result, and it has been a great
> learning experience for this division.
> 
> Aaron
> 
> On 7/13/15, Elizabeth Campbell via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> >
> >
> > I know that there have been many messages on this subject, and I 
> > apologize for chiming in so late, but I am buried under mountains of 
> > email, as I didn't spend much time checking messages from Orlando.
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyway, I was also disappointed that the resolution did not pass as 
> > the question of ownership has been a concern since I joined NAGDU 
> > several years ago.
> >
> > Yes, people do have a choice when it comes to which school they apply 
> > to when getting a dog. Allowing unconditional ownership upon 
> > graduation from a school sends a message that the school believes that 
> > a blind person is capable of handling the responsibilities of caring 
> > for and making decisions concerning the well-being of the dog. I 
> > certainly don't like the idea of donors having a hand in deciding a 
> > question as  important as ownership. It harkens back to the thinking 
> > that blind people are not capable of making their own choices and 
> > decisions.Another argument that stood out to me during the discussion 
> > of the resolution during the NAGDU meeting involved Marion reminding 
> > us that ownership of a dog also means that a blind person has due 
> > process if for instance a school removed the dog without giving the 
> > person a chance to explain a particular situation. Marion, my 
> > apologies I hope I am correct on this point.
> >
> >
> >
> > I hope we can introduce the resolution again next year for 
> > re-consideration at our 2016 convention.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best to all.
> >
> >
> >
> > Liz
> >
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