[nagdu] Pilot's ownership policy was: Re: The membership has spoken, and I am disappointed

Tue Jul 14 01:12:44 UTC 2015

I just spoke to a Pilot grad, and don’t they require you to submit vet reports in order to keep your dog?
> On Jul 11, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Debby Phillips via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> Schools that offer unconditional ownership are The Seeing Eye, Guide Dogs of America, I believe Freedom Guide Dogs, Guide Dog Foundation, and Pilot Dogs Inc. 
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>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Jody Ianuzzi via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> I find it very disturbing that the membership voted on resolutions that they didn't know anything about as with the guy dog ownership resolution and NAC. There needs to be more explanation at the time of the vote or preceding the convention. 
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>> What guide dog schools offer ownership now?
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>> JODY 🐺
>> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
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>> "There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes."  DOCTOR WHO (Tom Baker)
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>>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 12:20 PM, margo and isis via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>>> First of all, a resolution passed by our organization is policy.  Second, I don't understand why this didn't pass because NFB is always fiddling with companies' and agencies' policies.  I do not understand why guide dog schools are put on pedestals higher than any other entity.  I also don't understand why NFB members are so against unconditional ownership.  In NFB, we have high expectations of our capabilities but not passing this resolution to me shows a lack of faith in blind people by many of our own membership. 
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>>> Margo and Isis
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shannon Dyer via nagdu
>>> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 10:27 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Shannon Dyer
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The membership has spoken, and I am disappointed
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>>> Hi, all.
>>> 
>>> I mean no disrespect here. I’m just seeking to understand the resolution better.
>>> 
>>> So, if it had passed, how would this have affected the schools? For example, if I chose to go to a school that did not grant immediate ownership, how would this resolution have helped me? My understanding is that the guide dog schools are independent entities. How does this resolution get them to change their policies?
>>> 
>>> Curiously,
>>> Shannon and the Acelet
>>>> On Jul 9, 2015, at 9:59 PM, Becky Sabo via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>>>> Hey Tina, I agree it shouldn't not gone to the rollcall upstate. At 
>>>> least it did not go through. Becky Sabo
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>>>> On Jul 9, 2015, at 9:44 PM, Tina Thomas via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org <mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
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>>>> Well to be truthfully honest it never should've went to a rollcall 
>>>> states it was obvious that the nose had it but hey somebody just 
>>>> couldn't take the loss so they try to sneak it through by asking for a 
>>>> rollcall but thank God in the end democracy and justice prevailed
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>> On Jul 9, 2015, at 5:44 PM, Julie J. via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>>>>> So this went to a counted vote by the state delegates?  Where can I go to see which state voted which way?
>>>>> 
>>>>> And was this announced on this list?  I honestly had no idea this resolution was being presented until it was way too late to talk to the people in my state about it.  Hopefully they know my thoughts on the subject, but I'm not there and it bothers me that I didn't know to be able to explain my views beforehand.
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>>>>> Julie
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