[nagdu] dogs and canes

kkipp123 at gmail.com kkipp123 at gmail.com
Wed Jul 15 18:05:57 UTC 2015 

Well, back in the 60's, that was the way they used to train people.  At least they did it that way where I got my training.  I don't do it that way now though.  

Kaye

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> On Jul 14, 2015, at 5:17 PM, Raven Tolliver via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> the thing I don't understand is why there is any reason to raise your
> cane up off the ground while using it. Why do so many cane users
> prefer to tap-tap rather than gliding their cane over the floor?
> Tapping sure helps other people know where a cane user is, that's for
> sure. But while that thing is in the air, it's practically a weapon.
> Gliding the cane is far more considerate of people and working dogs.
> 
> That tapping technique annoys me to no end, and I can't rely on that
> method anyway because I prefer to use a folding cane with the rolling
> ball tip. So if I did any tapping, I'd be replacing cane tips up the
> wall.
> -- 
> Raven
> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
> www.1am-editing.com
> 
> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
> have or what you do.
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> 
>> On 7/14/15, S L Johnson via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Eva is still the same 53 pounds she was when I got her 15 months ago so, she
>> 
>> can have treats.  I am careful how much food to feed her.  If she shows any
>> 
>> sign of gaining weight, I cut the food a bit.  I actually use treat rewards
>> 
>> when working her, especially when teaching her to find new places such as we
>> 
>> did last week in the hotel.  I use very small low calorie treats for this.
>> I give her medium bones to help keep her teeth and gums healthy.  Just as it
>> 
>> is with people, everything is fine in moderation.  You don't have to deprive
>> 
>> the dog, just be careful.  I've done this with all my dogs for forty years
>> now and never had one of them be overweight.
>> 
>> Sandra and Eva, who loves her treats
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Vivianna via nagdu
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 7:03 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Vivianna
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dogs and canes
>> 
>> I say, how about some pats for the dogs and,, letā?Ts keep our dogs nice and
>> 
>> fit and lay off the treats.
>> and, i saw the leftovers from dogs relieving themselves in the hotel twice.
>> 
>> Vivianna
>> 
>>> On Jul 14, 2015, at 5:21 PM, S L Johnson via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Debby:
>>> 
>>> That is a good idea.  Some discussion of tips and tricks for canes ad
>>> dogs
>>> and convention would definitely help ease the stress for the people and
>>> the
>>> dogs.  Even though I was at the plaza, I went back to my room in the
>>> afternoon to let Eva eat, play, rest and relax.  Then we were off again.
>>> By
>>> the end of the week, I could tell she was a bit stressed and tired.  At
>>> times I did wish for more volunteer help just so I could take the
>>> pressure
>>> off Eva and go sighted guide.  That is definitely something that is
>>> needed
>>> for next year.  Not having enough sighted help in a strange place adds to
>>> the stress.  I was
>>> amazed at how well Eva worked and am extremely proud of her.  I also
>>> second
>>> what you said about the other conventions.  I used to be a member of that
>>> organization too and often encountered barking and growling dogs.  Also,
>>> at
>>> the NFB we did not have dogs relieving themselves in the hotel.  So, as
>>> Debby said, give all the wonderful guide dogs an extra few treats and
>>> hugs
>>> for a job well done.
>>> 
>>> Sandra and Eva
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Marianne Denning via nagdu
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 5:38 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Marianne Denning
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dogs and canes
>>> 
>>> I did a few cane dances too.  We tried to avoid them but it didn't
>>> always work.  I think some tips and tricks for dog handlers and cane
>>> users might make the convention experience better.  My dog was very
>>> stressed by the end of the convention.
>>> 
>>> I want to commend all of the dogs and their handlers.  I attended the
>>> other group's convention several years ago and almost every time we
>>> were in a large group one dog was start barking and then others would
>>> join in.  I did not hear one dog bark at any of the general sessions
>>> or other meetings I attended.  Everyone give your dog an extra treat
>>> for that.  (smile)
>>> 
>>>> On 7/14/15, S L Johnson via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Eva and I hated all the canes too.  Sometimes they would walk three or
>>>> four
>>>> 
>>>> people all in a row not leaving the dog a safe path to travel.  When we
>>>> were
>>>> 
>>>> sitting in meetings the canes would hit Eva as she stayed quietly tucked
>>>> under my chair.  The canes were horrible in the exhibit hall.  I
>>>> especially
>>>> 
>>>> got upset when the cane user would keep hitting Eva when I had told them
>>>> she
>>>> 
>>>> was there.  I can't tell you how many times she hid her head behind my
>>>> legs
>>>> 
>>>> to keep from being hit in the face by someone holding their cane too
>>>> high
>>>> off the floor.  When  using a cane in a crowded convention around guide
>>>> dogs, the cane user should glide the cane instead of lifting it up and
>>>> tapping it.  Eva ad I hate hate hate canes, especially the extremely
>>>> long
>>>> ones loved by so many cane users, they are a danger to the rest of us.
>>>> I
>>>> was tripped and fell many times because of the canes.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Debby Phillips via nagdu
>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 10:39 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users ;
>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: Debby Phillips ; jerupert at outlook.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dogs and canes
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Jack, just seeing this.  We're home now.  Nova was a little
>>>> freaked out by all the canes, too.  I just tried to talk softly
>>>> to her all the time, telling her what a good girl she was, and
>>>> encouraging her to keep walking.  Her biggest issue was other
>>>> dogs.  She was always wanting to pull over to visit.  Who knows?
>>>> We might have come across each other.
>>>> 
>>>> One suggestion for next time, and I did try to do this as much as
>>>> I could, but it was more difficult, as my husband and I were at
>>>> the Clarion.  That is, give your dog some breaks.  Go to your
>>>> room and just give him some down time; play with him a bit.  This
>>>> will relax him, and you too maybe.  Sometimes we would find a
>>>> semi quiet place to sit and just be together.  A friend of mine
>>>> also got an extra key to her room and we would go there sometimes
>>>> too just to give Nova a time out.  It's hard to do with a busy
>>>> convention schedule, but I decided a long time ago that if my dog
>>>> was stressed out, it was worth giving her time to settle down and
>>>> relax a little.  Before I came to NFB, I was in ACB and have been
>>>> going to conventions on and off since 1981.    Peace,    Debby
>>>> and Nova
>>>> 
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>>> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
>>> (513) 607-6053
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