[nagdu] Fw: [nfbmi-talk] Fw: guide dog banned from church bus

Cindy Ray cindyray at gmail.com
Thu Jul 16 23:29:45 UTC 2015


I am guessing that the pastor is uncomfortable with dogs and so fears that this could happen. It would be a liability if it did. Maybe in time they can work it out, but I think it is just too strange.
Cindy


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Um... What? So the dog is allowed in the church and at church functions, but not on the bus? So the dog is well-behaved enough to lay quietly during services and Sunday school and potlucks, but not on the bus? It's bizarre to me.

I did speak to my church before bringing Jenny, for several reasons. I had been a parishioner for several years when a cane user, so didn't want to just suddenly bring a dog into the equation.  I also knew that we had members with allergies, so I wanted to make everyone as comfortable as possible.  Honestly, it's not been an issue; I bring her most Sundays, and we sit in the back (my choice) where there is a bit more room.  It also gives me a chance to work with Jenny on baby distractions...

But to be granted access (and trust) to a church building for services and activities, but then to have a pastor assume your dog will bite a kid on a bus...?

I have NO MORE WORDS!

Daryl

----- Original Message ----- From: William Vandervest via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org Cc: William Vandervest <timelord09 at comcast.net> Sent: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 14:02:49 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [nagdu] Fw: [nfbmi-talk] Fw: guide dog banned from church bus    There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See William and LD Lynerd timelord09 at comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: David Robinson via nfbmi-talk Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 1:54 PM To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List Cc: David Robinson Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Fw: guide dog banned from church bus  ----- Original Message ----- From: joe harcz Comcast To: David Robinson NFB MI Cc: Larry D Keeler ; terry Eagle Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 10:15 AM Subject: guide dog banned from church bus  This is from Ohio. One of the better articles on the subject I've seen. Joe Guide dog banned from church bus Posted:Jul 15, 2015 8:03 PM EDT Updated:Jul 16, 2015 7:34 AM EDT By Lisa Hutson Email Connect lhutson at fox19.com List of 1 items list end (Source: Lisa Hutson, FOX19 NOW) (Source: Lisa Hutson, FOX19 NOW) MOUNT ORAB, OH (FOX19) -  A blind Sardinia woman says a Brown County church is discriminating against her by not allowing her guide dog on a church bus.  Cathy Inglis says Tiny, a 6-year-old Boxer is an extension of herself helping her to live independently even though she is completely blind. While she has had to explain Tiny's role before, she says she never thought a church would turn him away.  "They told me I was not allowed to ride the church bus,” said Inglis.  After asking to ride the Sunday school bus to church with her 6-year-old grandson and Tiny, Inglis says Bible Baptist Church in Mt. Orab told her Tiny could not ride the bus.  "If I have offended them, I would like to ask for their forgiveness because I would not want to offend them,” said Pastor Ted House of Bible Baptist Church.  House calls the entire discussion a huge misunderstanding. Both Tiny and Cathy are welcome anytime inside or outside the church he says but any dog on a church owned vehicle poses liability concerns.  "It's just I don't want the dog on the bus around those children in those close quarters because a dog is a dog no matter how well they are trained and a dog might nip a kid and then I've got a parent upset and a lawsuit,” said Pastor House.  Inglis says she has never had any aggression issues toward humans with any of the seven guide dogs she has owned throughout her lifetime. Each of them Inglis says go through extensive training to behave in public.  House says he has suggested other options besides bringing Tiny on the bus such as having volunteers guide Inglis on Sundays or having a church member pick up the pair in a private vehicle. They are options Inglis says she should not have to choose from based on her disability.  “I didn't get the dog to leave him and be guided by somebody else. I got him so I could work him and get around as best I can,” said Inglis.  According to American Disabilities Act, churches are not required to be ADA compliant but most do so voluntarily. By law, Bible Baptist Church has the right to refuse to accommodate anyone with disabilities.  Pastor House admits while he should have communicated the issue better, he sticks by his decision to protect the children on the bus.  Copyright 2015 WXIX. All rights reserved. by Taboola _______________________________________________ nfbmi-talk mailing list nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbmi-talk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nfbmi-talk: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbmi-talk_nfbnet.org/timelord09%40comcast.net  _______________________________________________ nagdu mailing list nagdu at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nagdu: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/crazymusician%40shaw.ca
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