[nagdu] Rabies tag only no local license should be required.

Thu Jul 30 18:37:56 UTC 2015

Hi from Howard and Rhett, I agree with thatt we should have rabies tag only
and no local dog licese. The reason for this is I travel lot and if I want
to spend the winter in Florida thay could say you need a dog license if I
stay down there for more then a month or two and what about New York where I
live most of year. You might need more then one license. I have Rabies tag,
because I see the vet at least twice a year. I take good care of my service
dog, most guide dogs are well taken care of so there is no meed to have a
local town to know that I have service dog.

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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nancy VanderBrink
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rabies tag only no local license should be required.

I see the need for having a license. The local municipality wants to know
what kind of dogs are in town and I believe that is important for outbreaks
of rabies and other sorts of diseases that are easily transmitted by dogs.
I also don't think that we should be subjected to extra scrutiny just
because we have a legitimate service dog. The issue I think we all come up
with is what do we as handlers do when we are faced with people that are not
legitimate service dogs. When I was in college there was an employee that
had a dog that was a "emotional support dog " my then Labrador guy dog and I
encountered this dog in a meeting space at one point, and her dog would not
stop barking. Rather than removing the dog, she asked me to move. I flatly
told her absolutely not, I was legally allowed to have my dog on the
premises, and she needed to be the one to get her dog under control. Luckily
for me, I never had to deal with this employee as a student, however by
standing up for my rights I incurred a rather negative reputation from
people that were positive thinking toward her. However, the disabilities
department stood behind me as I was expressing the right that I had been
granted by having an accredited dog. Therefore, she was instructed to leave
her dog in her office. Although, why no one ever investigated her actually
meeting the dog on campus, I will never know.
I am going to say something controversial, I don't personally have a problem
showing my ID that I received from my guy dog school. I figure, there is a
reason that they gave it to me in the first place. If the reason is to
mitigate some concern about the legitimacy of my dog, then I have no problem
showing that. Perhaps I shouldn't have to, but perhaps we shouldn't have to
do a lot of things in this world.
Frankly, I think if there was some way of putting it on my ID that I get
from the state that I have a service dog, it would negate this problem in
the first place because therefore, a person that did not have a legitimate
service dog would not have that on their legitimately issued identification
card. However, that is my lowly opinion. 
As I understand it, a lot of the reason for that not being there in the
first place has to do with privacy, but when I walk outside with either a
cane or my guy dog, I lose that element of privacy because then everyone
knows that I have some sort of visual disability. For the folks that have
invisible disabilities I see this as being more of a problem frankly I don't
really think it should matter one way or the other but Society as a whole
likes to put labels on things and unfortunately I don't think there's
anything we can do about that.

Thanks,
Nancy V. Irwin
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 28, 2015, at 12:11 PM, Christina Moore via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> I agree with you on this. However, I do think that we should have a tag
for our dogs like every other person. The rabies tag and the license tag for
the town. Both of those are not specific to the dog being a service dog and
would not be violating any of the ADA (that I know of).
> I believe is handlers we should have our freedom to take our dogs just
about anywhere (except obvious places) and that we should not be subjected
to additional screenings, identification requirements etc.
> However, I have been trying to figure out what we as handlers and the
public can do to stop people that are saying Their pet is a service dog when
it is not.
> 
> --Christina
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2015, at 11:53, Raven Tolliver via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>> 
>> The way I see it, so long as my dog and I are minding our own 
>> business, nobody should ask for any tags or ID. I don't think I 
>> should be grilled for coming through the door or entrance with a 
>> guide dog unless we pose apparent danger to patrons and employees.
>> People really want to regulate the heck out of everything.
>> --
>> Raven
>> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
>> www.1am-editing.com
>> 
>> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you 
>> have or what you do.
>> 
>> Naturally-reared guide dogs
>> https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs
>> 
>>> On 7/28/15, Howard J. Levine via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> The only tag that should be required is a Rabies tag. If you would 
>>> need local license then you would need show Id to prove that you are 
>>> out of town.
>>> We should fight to change DOJ on this matter.
>>> 
>>> 
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