[nagdu] Dog in the work place?

Sun Jun 14 15:41:47 UTC 2015

				We've spent all weekend talking about this
issue. There is deffinately tention over it, otherwise we wouldn't be
discussing it. 
Why shouldn't the CEO know of this issue? I'd not bring it up in person with
him/her, I'd just bring Jenny to the meeting. 
I'm also thinking this coworker likes all the attention she's getting over
this issue. The old Oscar Wilde saying comes to mind "The only thing worse
then people talking about you is people not talking about you". 


-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daryl Marie via
nagdu
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:27 PM
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Cc: Daryl Marie
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog in the work place?

Julie,<br>When my boss first brought up the subject yesterday, I did mention
prior occasions where I have brought Jenny in to meetings with this
coworker. Even if Jenny is lying down, across the room, this woman is still
very afraid of her as indicated by her body language.  She is so terrified
that last week, she asked if Jenny was in the lunch room before even setting
foot in there. When she was told no, she came in, and then either someone
saw Jenny or she sat up, it became clear that Jenny was in the lunch room,
and this coworker just very uneasily got her food and left.  I have no
problems chatting with her when Jenny isn't around, but Jenny's presence
makes it very awkward.<br><br>I am willing to concede this for no other
reason than this is going to be a one-of thing, there is no valid reason for
Jenny to be in the meeting with me, and because bringing her for the sake of
it will create an impression for the CEO that there is more tension in the
office than there actually is, and the only way to do that is to leave Jenny
at my desk. <br><br><br>----- Original Message ----- From: Julie McGinnity
via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National
Association of Guide Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org> Cc: Julie McGinnity
<kaybaycar at gmail.com> Sent: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 19:14:37 -0600 (MDT) Subject:
Re: [nagdu] Dog in the work place? I think your strategy is good. It's a
difficult situation. I agree that it seems that the fears of others
automatically superceed our use of mobility aides specially trained for us.
What your boss fails to understand is that your dog isn't a dog (And I'm not
about to call Jenny your eyes...). She is your mobility aide and should be
treated as such. Of course, she goes with you when you need her-nothing
more, nothing less. My question is: if you have a positive relationship with
your coworker, can you ask her about this? Depending on my relationship with
the coworker in this situation, I would go straight to the supposed source.
If she says that she doesn't have a problem with it, then you know you've
got a larger issue to deal with here. On 6/13/15, Danielle Sykora via nagdu
<nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote: > This is a little late, but here's what I think.
If I were in this > situation, I would bring my dog to the meeting and
expect to sit > across the room from the coworker for a couple of reasons. I
do not > appreciate people telling me when and where to bring my dog because
it > is my decision and my decision alone. Also, I feel as if people >
generally expect the service dog user to make sacrifices while the > person
with fear issues is not expected to have to face their fears at > all.
Having my dog in the room but at some distance from the person > with the
fear seems like a reasonable compromise for me. > > Just my thoughts, >
Danielle and Thai > > On 6/13/15, Daryl Marie via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote: >> Hey, guys, >> >> Thanks so much for your insights. >> >> I think
I've reached a conclusion I am happy with, as to neither make >> waves >>
nor make myself a pushover: >> >> 1) I will leave Jenny at my desk for this
meeting, not because I have >> been >> asked to, but because there is no
particular need for her to be there. I >> have FULL confidence that she will
stay quietly and happily at my desk >> (it >> IS her nap time after all) and
will leave her a bone to keep her >> occupied. >> 2) I will speak openly
with my boss, letting him know the position he has >> put me in. I will also
make it abundantly clear that I am making this >> concession simply because
the CEO is in the office and I don't wish to >> make >> a fuss over it. But
this will not be a habit, HE is not to dictate this >> in >> the future, and
while I respect this coworker's right to be afraid, in a >> year and a half
being in the same office, my dog has NEVER done anything >> to >> her. >> >>
While I can't say that I am thrilled with the whole situation, this is >>
probably the best solution I can come up with. I respect my boss, and I >>
know that my boss respects me, so a conversation can't hurt. >> >> Daryl >>
>> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Weiner via nagdu >>
<nagdu at nfbnet.org> >> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of
Guide Dog Users' >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> Cc: Dan Weiner
<dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net> Sent: Sat, 13 >> Jun >> 2015 16:24:00 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog in the work place? >> Don't >> forget, and I've
seen it time and time again. The feelings and rights of >> blind people, as
far as the boss or whoever is concerned are trumped , by >> the thoughts,
desires, concerns, or fears of anyone else. Sorry but I'm >> trying to tell
it like it is. As Dan likes to say, and I'll admit I'm >> probably a bit
insufferable at times about this stuff: It isn't a dog >> popularity
contest. You have a guide dog for a reason. I think you wrote >> a >> good
post, Rebecca. Best wishes to all. Dan Weiner dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net >>
-----Original Message----- From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>
On >> Behalf Of Star Gazer via nagdu Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 5:56 PM
To: >> 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc:
Star >> Gazer Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog in the work place?
I'd just bring the >> dog to the meeting and then apologize, the old "It's
better to beg >> forgiveness then ask permission" adage. I also wonder why
the boss is >> getting involved and is siding with the coworker? The most he
should do >> is >> say "The dog has a right to be here" along with
suggesting the employee >> get >> some counceling. This fear seems way
beyond healthy. -----Original >> Message----- From: nagdu
[mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >> Elise Berkley via nagdu
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 2:27 PM To: NAGDU >> Mailing List, the
National Association of Guide Dog Users Cc: Elise >> Berkley >> Subject: Re:
[nagdu] Dog in the work place? Wow, Debby. I like that >> suggestion. It
makes a lot of sense. Love your answers and the answers of >> the others.
Elise and the Beckster -----Original Message----- From: Debby >> Phillips
via nagdu Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 8:09 PM To: NAGDU Mailing >> List,the
National Association of Guide Dog Users ; nagdu at nfbnet.org Cc: >> Debby
Phillips Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog in the work place? Okay, this may >> sound
weird. But I think leaving Jenny at your desk is fine, and in fact >> could
be a good thing, but you need to make it like it's your choice, you >> know?
You don't want people to get the idea that you'll back down about >> having
your dog with you when you choose to, or need to. (Not sure how to >> tell
you to do that). And it's kind of a slippery slope. I had this issue >> with
my family for awhile. "Well, you left the dog home this last time.... >> I
>> know family's different than work, but still some of the same dynamics >>
can >> come into play. Hopefully someone else just be able to articulate
what >> I'm >> trying to say in a better wan. Debby and Nova >>
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-- Julie McGinnity National Federation of the Blind of Missouri second vice
president, National Federation of the Blind performing arts division
secretary, Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President graduate,
Guiding Eyes for the Blind 2008, 2014 "For we walk by faith, not by sight" 2
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