[nagdu] Why, or why not?
Kaye Kipp
kkipp123 at gmail.com
Sat Jun 20 15:23:33 UTC 2015
Hi.
What I can't stand is that some people think I can't function without my
dog. One day at church during coffee hour, someone came up to me and said,
"You couldn't do half the things you do if you didn't have your dog, could
you?" I made a joke of it though and answered, "Well, when my dog makes my
coffee for me, I'll believe you."
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Pam via nagdu
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 4:31 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: Pam
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Why, or why not?
hi dan. i would just like to say. i completely agree with everything u said.
yes it can b annoying at times but most of the time it is just curiosity
especially for people that don't know much about guide dogs. i never liked
using the caine personally and since i got a guide dog a lot more people
come up and talk to me now. ya sometimes it is about the dog but not all the
time. +i don't know how it works in the US but in the uk guide dogs there is
funded mainly by public donations. so if it wasn't for members of the public
then there would b no guide dogs. it would b worse if people were being
negative towards her and her guide dog.
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> On 19 Jun 2015, at 23:28, Dan Weiner via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Well to the lady in England... You can always give the dog back, go
> ahead, no one is holding a gun to your head forcing you, you must have
> the dog for SOME reason, or have you just been bulldozered in to it.
> Sure, people can be annoying at times--lol.
> When I got a dog the first two weeks I was so impressed how many
> people talked to me until I realized it is because of my dog--lol.
> I adapted and deal with it, if you can't nothing against you but Hell,
> the cane is always waiting for you.
> Social attitudes towards blindness stink whether you have a dog or a cane.
> She asks, and I paraphrase, will people at university talk to me
> because I'm interesting or because of the cute dog. Answer, what the
> Hell do you thihnk?--lol Of course it will be because of your dog.
> People a lot of times don't want to approach us and that's just the
> way it iis, the dog makes them feel they have something to talk about.
> Is that good, no not from an ideal point of view but that's the way it
> is and it won't change any time soon.
> I'll admit, and this may be a facet of my personality, that I have had
> some very pleasant chats and interactions that started with someone
> admiring my dog and I do like it.
> But no question, there have been jerks and it can get you riled up.
>
> I mean my pet peeve about the behavior of people towards blind folks
> has nothing to do with a guide dog, I detest people talking to the
> person with me about me when for example they are asking something
> that they should ask me--lol.
> Will my distaste or annoyance change that? No, unfortunately not, I
> just have to be assertive and we hope that some people will learn better.
>
> Bottom line, for me anywayy, the social interaction dilema is not a
> game-changer regarding the use of a guide dog.
>
> And though I did have a life before a dog and would still have one
> afterwards, the fact is I didn't get around as well before and for me
> that is quite important.
>
>
> Just some food for thought, fattening as it may be.
>
> I tend to express myself strongly so I will once in a while put in my
> proviso that I don't have aanything personally against anyone who
> disagrees with me.
>
> Warmest regards.
>
> Dan W.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy
> Brannan via nagdu
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 4:02 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Buddy Brannan
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Why, or why not?
>
> For me, there is one huge overriding negative to using a guide dog.
> It's the one thing that, both times I went back, made me question
> whether I really wanted to do this again. Obviously, since I did do it
> again and am in the process of working on raising #4, then training
> #4, the positives outweigh for me, but it doesn't take this one aspect
away.
>
> Cleaning up after? Don't care about that, it's just a thing. Hair?
> We've got other pets too, and if people don't like animal hair, stay
> the hell away from my house, because there will be some. Vet expenses,
> food expenses, inconvenient surprises? Don't care about those.
>
> No, the one disadvantage to working with a guide dog is other people.
> I don't like having pleasant meals with friends interrupted by random
> strangers who feel they must know immediately my dog's lineage, life
> story, and vital statistics. For some reason, I don't find socially
> fulfilling hearing about the dog you had that was just like mine, only
> smaller, black, and female. No, really, I don't find that my dog is a
"social icebreaker"
> when random people feel the need to come and admire my dog while I'm
> crossing the street or waiting for a bus or running late for
> something. And I really don't care that you think I'm a complete ass
> because I said that, no, really, you can't pet my dog right now. Funny
> thing, I got my dog to help me get from where I am to where I'm going
> more efficiently. I'd really like to do that.
>
> Here's a blog post that sums this up brilliantly, from a twitter pal
> in the UK. Apparently, she's gotten some grief for this from other
> guide dog users who don't believe she is properly grateful. Count me
> as also not properly grateful, though the issue doesn't rise quite to
> the level it does for her with me.
>
> From http://catchthesewords.com/i-am-not-my-dog/
>
> I am not my dog
>
> Having a dog can be a good thing. For some, it is a smoother, more
> effective way of travel. For others the cane is by far the better
> option. Both are perfectly valid experiences, what works for one blind
> person doesn't for another. I have come to loathe the perception that
> my life must have been awful before getting Isla. I think the media is
> partly responsible for this, feeding the mentality that guide dogs are
> always best. Cane users are seen as incompetent, or desperately lonely
> blind people who must be longing for a dog. That quite simply isn't
> true. And just because a person might find guide dog travel better for
> them doesn't mean they had no life before getting a dog.
>
> I've been thinking about this a lot recently. I'll be going to
> university in September and I'm concerned that people will choose to
> speak to me because I'm holding onto a very cute looking dog, not
> because I'm a genuinely interesting person.though that's debatable I
> suppose! I know some guide dog owners love the extra attention they
> receive, they feel like they are connecting with more people and it
> gives them the opportunity to make friends, however for me it's been a
> miserable experience. I would rather two people come up to me directly
> in a week and ask me about the band shirt I'm wearing and whether I've
> seen them, than 200 who want to know my dogs life story. I'm not my
> dog and I'm desperately trying to break free of that perception. I'm
> also not public property, I'm a real girl with feelings who would like to
be shown the same basic respect others deserve.
>
> To illustrate this, I want to talk about several interactions I've had
> this past week.
>
> On Tuesday I went to the dentist, the guy is new and he was very nice to
me.
> However, he didn't ask me any questions about my life, besides the
> obligatory medical history. Our brief conversation revolved around my
> dog, and how I must find things easier now I have her. The problem I
> find with this isn't that people ask, it's how they phrase it.
>
> "So, your life must be so much better now you have her."
>
> They aren't actually asking me if I prefer using a dog or a cane,
> instead they assume that it is the case. I know people don't mean it,
> or probably don't even think about it. Perhaps it seems like I'm being
> overly sensitive and it's a simple issue, however I hear this day in
> day out. I know that it is how people think, they have this idea that a
dog is best for everyone.
> Canes are seen as your training wheels, after which you progress to a dog.
> And I always want to tell people no, that isn't true. But no matter
> how nicely you explain it many get upset, or even offended. They have
> this view that a dog is best and telling them no goes against
> everything they have ever seen in the media. Yes, a person may prefer
> guide dog travel but that doesn't mean before they got a dog they sat
> at home and cried into their pillow.
>
> I did however have a very nice talk with a lady who worked in a shop
> whilst I was looking for a dress to buy. She was far more interested
> in describing me the dresses and helping me look for them than asking
> me personal questions. I shouldn't have to find experiences like this
> refreshing, but I do.
>
> However for the rest of the day most questions I received from shop
> assistants whilst I was paying involved the following:
>
> How old is your dog?
> Is it a boy or a girl?
> What's its name?
> How long have you had it?
> Is it your first dog.
>
> I don't mind that people ask exactly, but I always get asked this set
> of questions. I know people don't realise that I've had to answer them
> hundreds of times before. It honestly gets tiring and boring, and I
> wish their attention could be diverted elsewhere.
>
> The same happened when I went to get my hair cut. People came and sat
> next to me while I was waiting, asked me their questions about Isla
> and that was it. And this is why I hate it. People don't talk to me
> because they actually have an interest in who I am, they just want to
> know about my dog. I would rather people didn't speak to me at all in
> that case. Perhaps I'm in the minority, but it is something I think
> about a lot. I don't want to put people off approaching guide dog
> owners but I wish they would think about why they are actually doing
> it first. If you think that person might need help, and you go up to
> them to ask that's fine, if they say yes, by all means help and if
> they say no, please respect their decision. But if the only reason you
> speak to a person is to quiz them about their dog and then effectively
ignore them.what's the point?
>
> I understand that for some dog owners the interactions are welcome but
> personally I don't enjoy it. I want to go to university and meet
> people who like the same things I do, who want to spend time with me
> because they see something that interests them. I don't want people to
> spend time with me because they get access to a very friendly dog. I
> don't know how I can ensure this, besides trying to figure out why
> people are actually talking to me. I don't want to become popular on
campus because everyone loves my dog.
> Ultimately in that situation I mean nothing, it is Isla who people are
> interested in. It's the reason why I'm so sure I won't be getting
> another dog. I travel well with a cane, yes, dog travel has its
> benefits but for me the attention I receive because of it is far more
> negative than any of the positives can add up to be. I wish I didn't
> feel this way, but I know it won't change. I don't like huge amounts
> of attention being placed upon me, and I would rather receive very small
amounts and be valued as a human.
>
> Dog handlers are real people. Their dogs may look very friendly, but
> please remember that there is a person holding onto that harness and
> we all deserve to be valued for the people we are.
>
> Like this post? Share it with your friends!
>
>
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: 814-860-3194
> Mobile: 814-431-0962
> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>
>
>
>
>>> On Jun 19, 2015, at 3:08 PM, S L Johnson via nagdu
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Personally I don't find any negatives about having a guide dog.
>> There are
>
>> so many positives that nothing is too much work in order for me to
>> have a dog. , I always ask for a golden so I have lots of hair. I
>> brush her
> every
>> night to keep the shedding down. It is possible your dog had a
>> medical issue that contributed to her excessive shedding. Also if
>> she were under
> a
>> lot of stress that could have also caused her to shed more. Stress for
>> working dogs can cause all kinds of problems. If people don't want dog
>> hair, then maybe a dog isn't for them. If people don't want my dog
>> hair
> in
>> their car, then I don't go anywhere with them. My dog is more
>> important than that inconsiderate person. I suppose you could say
>> high vet bills could be a negative but, even that is worth it because
>> the dog gives you
> so
>> much more independence. It is a tough question to answer because
>> what you
>
>> see as a negative might not mean anything to someone else who will do
>> absolutely anything to have a guide dog. As for access issues, I
>> don't
> have
>> any problems with it and feel it is just one of the responsibilities
>> of having a guide dog. It is a personal decision and only you will
>> be able
> to
>> weigh the positives against the negatives n the end to make your
decision.
>
>> Whatever you decide, good luck.
>>
>> Sandra and Eva
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: daniel via nagdu
>> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 12:05 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: daniel
>> Subject: [nagdu] Why, or why not?
>>
>> Hey guys, I haven't posted to the list in a while mainly because I
>> don't have my dog anymore; she was terrified of cars and couldn't do
>> work
> properly
>> because of it. I know this is going to come off a bit negatively but
>> I
> don't
>> mean it that way: I feel as if, guide dog users we have a tendency to
> extol
>> the greatness of using a guide dog, we always say how amazing it is
>> and wonderful having one by our side is but I feel that the cons
>> aren't ever really discussed. I retired my dog roughly a year ago
>> and, at the time, it was pretty tramatic (I literally cried for like
>> an hour at a time). I'm
> now
>> really contemplating going back to The Seeing Eye again and am really
>> honestly wondering what kind of cons or negative things yall have ran
>> into while using a dog? I know there is a huuuge range of people from
>> just starting out to have had a dog for the past 20 years so I feel
>> like I can get some really good feedback. I know one for me was (and
>> this may sound
> odd
>> or vain) was excessive shedding. I could brush and comb Irene for
>> 30-45 minutes every evening and morning and yet, every time I got in
>> a car there would be fur everywhere and when I vacuumed I could've
>> probably made a pillow every time. I have literally never in my life
>> seen a dog shed as
> much
>> as that and am quite frankly not sure where all the fur came from off
>> a 45 pound dog. However, I think I could deal with it again if I were
>> to get another guide dog; I would just have to get even better at
>> managing. I
> have
>> a few others but I'm wondering what are some for yall?
>>
>> Again, I really am not trying to be negative just really trying to
>> get the whole story.again.
>>
>> I'm also (obviously) trying to decide if I want to go back again
>> (that's a whole other post though, I think). I'm also not really
>> trying to say (nor
> do
>> I want yet another debate) that canes are better than dogs or vice versa.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dan.
>>
>>
>>
>> P.s: This is a sort of spinoff from "would I ever give up having a dog?"
>>
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