[nagdu] Defiant poodles running away from corrections

Wed Jun 24 00:21:06 UTC 2015

Well, poodles are extremely smart! 

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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kerri Stovall via nagdu
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 8:02 PM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Defiant poodles running away from corrections

Hey again rox,
I have a 6 foot nylon leash that I never got rid of, or it might be 8 feet, but it's pretty long regardless. So I will try that. Also I will definitely be working on the recall. It's funny how she will come to me one called if she is not in trouble, perfectly. But if she knows that she is in trouble, it's like she ignores the come command altogether. But she does fantastic at the recall if she knows that she's not in trouble.
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> On Jun 23, 2015, at 2:41 PM, The Pawpower Pack via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Kerri, 
> Have you tried putting a drag line on her? A drag line is a lead that is usually made of nylon and is about 10 to 15 feet long.  It may be easier for you to grab her .  
> I would first start by putting her back on the short lead you used before and work on retraining the recall, then order a drag line and once she has a reliable lead recall, transition her to the drag line and continue practicing. 
> My first dog had many of these same issues and I did this with her. 
> Good luck! 
> 
> Rox and the kitchen Bitches: 
> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
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>> On Jun 23, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Kerri Stovall via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Rox, thank you for the reply. I would love for that to work, going to her and moving her away, but she runs away from me and jumps around trying to make it a game of catch, me catching her. And I don't think it would do any good to chase her. So I may try to recall her with the food and treating, and the whistle may work too. But that's part of my problem is getting to her to move her, because she runs from me when I step toward her. Looking forward to hearing from you again. Thanks. 
>> Kerri
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>>> On Jun 23, 2015, at 12:25 PM, The Pawpower Pack via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Kerri, 
>>> Usually, it's a good idea when your dog is doing a behavior that is self-rewarding— like barking, to go to the dog yourself and physically move her away from what she is barking at.  Asking a dog to recall to you as you see just teaches them to ignore the cue.  
>>> Here's what I suggest, if the dog barks, stop what you are doing, go over to the dog, put her back on the lead, and have her lay next to you.  
>>> You can also click and reward for quiet.  
>>> Now, you are going to have train the recall cue again since the dog has stopped acknowledging it.  
>>> Start with the dog on a short leash and use her favorite thing as a reward for coming back.  For many dogs, that's food, but I know some poodles are not that wild about food.  You can also use a toy.  The most impootant thing is never give a cue like recall that the dog will not or cannot obey.  
>>> Some handlers have had success associating a recall cue with feeding time and a whistle.  
>>> Blowing the whistle as the cue to eat, and using the same whistle za recall cue.   
>>> Good luck! 
>>> 
>>> Rox and the kitchen Bitches: 
>>> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
>>> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 23, 2015, at 11:11 AM, Kerri Stovall via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> As most of you may know, my husband and I both received poodles from Pilot Dogs back in April. We have just begun to let them off leash in the house as of a couple weeks ago, and I do know that this is just the beginning of their learning process for house manners. So, my question is this. How can we keep them from running from us when they know we are unhappy with their behavior. Here's a little of an idea of what's happening. As I now understand more fully, poodles are barkers, and they will bark at anything they hear or see that they are interested in, so pulling shades down doesn't work because the shades are already down, but they bark mostly at audible noises, like the air conditioning unit rattling or something like that. It's not every minute or anything like that, but it's often enough and they keep it up long enough to get to interfering with things. So when we tell them quiet several times and it doesn't work, then we will try calling them to us, but of course they know they are not behaving so they run the opposite way, even if the word no is used for other things than barking, any kind of misbehaving they will run away from us when we want to call them to us to distract them. They also will try to play with us by jumping around just out of reach, when they know we are unhappy with them. So I'm wondering, is it time to go back on leash for a while? I want to be able to do instant corrections or whatever else I can do with my dog, and I'm not sure if Lee will be up for it, but I hope so, so that he can get a handle on it. They are stellar dogs when they're apart, but when together their come command needs a lot of work because alb they want to do is play. lol.  Now my dog, she will still run away from me even when Lee isn't home or when his dog is elsewhere in the house, if she knows that I'm about to get onto her for something. I never correct her for coming to me though, I make sure the come command is always rewarded instead of corrected. But I just want her to come to me so that I can distract her from whatever she's doing wrong. Any help would be great. Thank you to all.
>>>> Kerri and Sadie
>>>> 
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