[nagdu] Combo dogs

Mon Mar 2 05:40:37 UTC 2015

no kidding, tres needed a lot of work when we got home. His manners 
weren't perfect and he had so much energy. a lot of puppy in him. It 
wasn't trained out of him. I learned how to work with this unique golden 
that was so different than my black lab was. I think there are trainers 
out there that don't see us as equal participantss in the process of the 
teamwork riquired to work with our dogs.

On 2/27/2015 6:45 AM, Tracy Carcione via nagdu wrote:
> That's interesting that most other service dog programs steer clear of guide
> dogs.  I heard a couple trainers recently complaining about how easy guide
> dog training is, and how much more interesting service dog training is.  So,
> if guide dog training is so easy, why don't other places do it?  Is it the
> old thing that blind people are so different from everyone else we couldn't
> possibly be in the same class with sighted people?
> I was a bit annoyed at the comments about how easy guide dog training is.
> If it's so darn easy, why do I have so much work to do when I get home? I
> think more likely it's just the grass is greener on the other side of the
> fence.
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan via
> nagdu
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 7:51 PM
> To: Danielle Antoine; NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
> Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] FWD: Arizona - URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT; HB2179
> AMENDMENT MAKES SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO RIGHTS OF PERSONSWHO USE SERVICE
> ANIMALS
>
> Hi,
>
> If you ever do need a combo dog, you won't get one from CCI.they don't do
> any guide training at all. Paws With a Cause might. There are tons of little
> service dog programs that do one thing or another or several, but lots steer
> clear of guide work.
>
> -
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: 814-860-3194
> Mobile: 814-431-0962
> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>
>
>
>> On Feb 26, 2015, at 7:07 PM, Danielle Antoine via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>> Ho Hum! well, hell. And to think I have recommended them to folks who
>> could more benefit from a service dog. Heck, one old day I too might
>> need a service or combination dog that the guide dog schools can not
>> address. That. is. not. the. case. right. now. This is totally
>> sickening! If they were able to do this, what or who would stop other
>> states from following suit? I'm sure Martin, Dorothy, Morris, and
>> Kenneth are rolling over and pressing their way out of the grave right
>> now! I thought it was a reject from the first one or two programs
>> applied for or someone who got their guide dog revoked promoting this
>> sort of nonsense foolishness. Lor, can't wait for the update. SO glad
>> to hear it didn't pass. Thanks Sharonda! As for dealing with an
>> aggressive dog, I focus on keeping my own self and dog as far away as
>> I can and make sure I have control over my dog and myself. A safe
>> distance means you can move around and get out if need be. The best is
>> a dog that is seen, not heard. What other service dog schools are
>> there aside from CCI and KSDS?
>>
>> Danielle
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/26/15, L Gwizdak via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Aleeha,
>>> I would be shocked if CCI were behind this.  It would be
>>> counterproductive to them as they provide service dogs.  They are
>>> behind amending the ADA to allow businesses to ask for IDs but I don't
> think this thing.
>>> I was interested in reading this because it smacks of a bill last
>>> year in AZ to allow public places to refuse to serve LGBT people.
>>> Some of these morons just hate everyone and everything.  That anti
>>> LGBT law also went down in flames.  I think the heat must get to their
> brains!
>>> I did hear that this anti-service dog bill did die as it should.
>>> But, just the idea that there are still people who want to take this
>>> country back to the Dark Ages.  We need to know about these things so we
> stay vigilant.
>>> Rights are won but they can also be taken away and wwe must ALWAYS be
>>> aware and watching.  We can never rest.  I know this well as an LGBT
>>> person AND a disabled service dog user.
>>>
>>> Lyn and Oliver
>>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is
>>> like asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Aleeha Dudley via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: "Michael Hingson" <mike at michaelhingson.com>; "NAGDU Mailing
>>> List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 5:27 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] FWD: Arizona - URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT;HB2179
>>> AMENDMENT MAKES SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO RIGHTS OF PERSONSWHO USE
>>> SERVICE ANIMALS
>>>
>>>
>>>> Pardon me while I rant for a moment.
>>>> How dare a state legislature decide that a person cannot go
>>>> somewhere just
>>>>
>>>> because they are disabled. How dare they keep tabs on us like
>>>> children, treat us like second rate citizens and the scum of the
>>>> earth. How dare we be penalized for our choice to use service
>>>> animals. I wish I were able to go down there and talk some sense
>>>> into these morons. I agree that CCI appears to be behind this. This has
> always been a pet project of theirs.
>>>> OK, I think I'm done now. Sorry, this just makes me mad enough to
>>>> have smoke flowing out of my ears. Bak under the rock.
>>>>
>>>> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas Vice President, Ohio
>>>> Association of Guide Dog Users Vice President, Ohio Association of
>>>> Blind Students Both proud divisions of the National Federation of
>>>> the Blind of Ohio
>>>> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
>>>> the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create
>>>> obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life
>>>> you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>> "The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears." -
>>>> Arabian
>>>>
>>>> proverb
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 18, 2015, at 7:36 PM, Michael Hingson via nagdu
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The legislature also does not understand disabilities well nor does
>>>>> it seem to recognize what service dogs do.  At least some
>>>>> legislators do not
>>>>>
>>>>> seem to understand.
>>>>>
>>>>> States do not trump Federal law in any case, but this law shows
>>>>> that we must be ever vigilant.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael Hingson
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> <mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Ginger Kutsch via
>>>>> nagdu
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 4:07 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] FWD: Arizona - URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT; HB2179
>>>>> AMENDMENT MAKES SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO RIGHTS OF PERSONS WHO USE
>>>>> SERVICE ANIMALS
>>>>>
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Larry Wanger <larry at azsilc.org>
>>>>> Date: February 18, 2015 at 1:16:14 PM MST
>>>>> Subject: URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT; HB2179 AMENDMENT MAKES
>>>>> SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO RIGHTS OF PERSONS WHO USE SERVICE ANIMALS
>>>>>
>>>>> The following information is provided in order to share information
>>>>> regarding legislation pending in the Arizona House of
>>>>> Representatives that will impact the rights of persons with
> disabilities.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Legislation that will significantly impact the rights of persons
>>>>> with disabilities who utilize the assistance of a service animal
>>>>> will be heard
>>>>>
>>>>> in the House Government and higher Education Committee at 9:00am
>>>>> tomorrow, Thursday February 19 in House hearing Room 1. This
>>>>> legislation is an amendment to HB2179 and will make significant
>>>>> changes to current state statutes regarding the rights of
>>>>> individuals with service animals
>>>>> including:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> .         Requiring that individuals who use service animals obtain a
>>>>> permit from the Arizona Department of health Services in order to
>>>>> take their service animal in to a public place and that such permit
>>>>> be renewed
>>>>>
>>>>> on a regular basis.
>>>>>
>>>>> .         As part of the permit process, an individual will be required
>>>>> to apply to the Department of Health Services and provide
>>>>> documentation from a medical professional certifying the applicant has
> a disability.
>>>>> .         Requiring that a service animal wear a vest, also issued by
> the
>>>>> Department of Health Services at all times when in a public place.
>>>>> This vest will display permit information.
>>>>>
>>>>> .         Allows restaurants to block access for persons with service
>>>>> animals in order to meet local and or state health code regulations.
>>>>>
>>>>> .         Requires the Department of Health services to develop a sign
>>>>> for restaurants to display indicating that service animals are not
>>>>> permitted and that a separate sign for other public businesses not
>>>>> serving food be created that indicates service animals are allowed.
>>>>>
>>>>> .         Requires the Department of Health Services to petition the
>>>>> United States Department of Justice requesting that the Americans
>>>>> with Disabilities Act be updated to comply with state law.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Additionally, the following language is included at the end of the
>>>>> amendment:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The legislature finds that the Americans with disabilities act of
>>>>> 1990 may endanger the health and safety of the public, place an
>>>>> undue burden on businesses and others and conflict with state and local
> health codes.
>>>>> State and local health codes shall supersede the Americans with
>>>>> disabilities act of
>>>>>
>>>>> 1990."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have attached the full text of the amendment to HB2179 for your
> review.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Larry Wanger, Executive Director
>>>>>
>>>>> Arizona Statewide Independent Living Council
>>>>>
>>>>> 5025 E. Washington Street, Suite 214
>>>>>
>>>>> Phoenix, AZ. 85034
>>>>>
>>>>> 602-262-2900 (Voice/TTY)
>>>>>
>>>>> 602-271-4100 (Fax)
>>>>>
>>>>> larry at azsilc.org
>>>>>
>>>>> www.azsilc.org
>>>>> <http://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30489975/www.azsilc.org?p=eyJzI
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