[nagdu] Fw: Proposed Act Regarding Service Dogs fromthe stateof Maine.

Mon Mar 2 15:11:39 UTC 2015

I, for one, have a difficult time considering a dog that's wagging its tail
as being "out of control."  And, I doubt many judges would as well.

As for the child snagging a dessert, it all depends on the situation.

If I'm in a restaurant and I let my child run wild, and that child runs over
and snags a dessert off a dessert tray that's behind a counter, or in some
other way reasonably remote, then I'd agree, and I'd pay for my poor
judgement.

But, if a waiter comes over to my table, and I have a very young child
sitting in a highchair or booster seat, and the waiter plops a tray full of
desserts down right in front of the child, then I'm afraid I'd have trouble
paying for anything my child might stick his or her fingers into, as the
waiter has a responsibility to keep his product safe and secure, and no
toddler is perfect.

I'd also have trouble paying for any dessert that my Guide might snag if a
waiter, for whatever reason, stood by my table holding a tray full of
goodies right beside my dog's nose, although I find it difficult to imagine
how that might happen.

It all boils down to details.

Customers have certain responsibilities, as do business owners and their
staff.

My pet peeve is going into a shop full of breakables in order to find a
gift, and trying to navigate narrow isles full of this stuff on tipsy
stands.

As a large blind person with a large Guide, I'm not going to pay for
something that breaks because my arm bumps into it because it has been
deliberately placed in a position that forces itself into the line of a
sighted persons vision, but also situates it in a way that it is difficult
for me to get around without bumping into it.

Or, because too many shelves have been crowded into too small a space in
order for the store owner to maximize his or her inventory.

Or, because my wife came in to join me and my dog wagged its tail and
breakables have been placed in vulnerable locations.

If damage occurs because of something I should have foreseen or could have
averted by simply using common sense, then I'm at fault and should pay.

But, if damage occurs because of something I have no control over and could
not have averted by acting more prudently, then I won't open my wallet.

If blind persons are to be considered as full members in society, then
business owners need to recognize that maximizing their profits cannot  take
precedence over our sensory deficiency.

Regards,
Dudley, with Michener

-----Original Message-----
From: Cindy Ray [mailto:cindyray at gmail.com] 
Sent: March-02-15 6:17 AM
To: 'Dudley Hanks'; 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
Dog Users'
Subject: RE: [nagdu] Fw: Proposed Act Regarding Service Dogs fromthe stateof
Maine.

I'm not sure what this would have to do with the act. If your dog wagged its
tail and inadvertently broke something and if they thought you weren't
controlling your dog, they could currently ask you to leave. Of course you
would have an argument that this was not fair. I suspect some places would
charge if your small child snagged a dessert. Certainly if they snag
something in the grocery store, if you can't put it back without damaging
it, then you have to pay.
Cindy

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dudley Hanks via
nagdu
Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2015 10:25 PM
To: 'Debby Phillips'; 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
Dog Users'; 'Star Gazer'; dsykora29 at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw: Proposed Act Regarding Service Dogs fromthe stateof
Maine.

Just being a Devil's Advocate here, but is it appropriate to ask a customer
to pay for a dessert a dog snags when the desserts should be out of reach of
dogs and small children?  :)

I mean, would you like to be charged for a piece of china your dog's tail
might break in a china or gift shop because your dog wagged its tail and
knocked something to the floor because the aisles are too narrow, or the
shelves are too low?

Cheers,
Dudley, with Michener

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Debby Phillips
via nagdu
Sent: March-01-15 8:11 PM
To: Star Gazer; NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
Users; dsykora29 at gmail.com; nagdu at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw: Proposed Act Regarding Service Dogs fromthe stateof
Maine.

Well, I think there should be some common sense.  For instance, if you walk
into my restaurant, and your dog snags a dessert off the dessert tray, I
would probably tell you that you had to pay for the dessert.  If you didn't
correct the dog, make the dog sit, lie down, or whatever, I'd say that your
dog was not in control and yes, misbehaving.  If, on the other hand, you
walk into my restaurant, your dog attempts the snatch from the dessert tray,
you correct your dog, then hey, the dog is being a dog, but you're dealing
with it.  The other day, my little "precious" and I say that in quotes,
tried to jump up on to the front of a reception counter at my eye doctor.
The receptionist kind of gasped, I corrected, and made Neena sit, and all
was well.  I don't blame the young lady for being startled.  But she could
see that I dealt with the situation and that then Neena behaved herself.  I
knew that she had started to misbehave, and dealt with it accordingly.  But
this is the difference between a dog that's trained but still young and
stupid sometimes, and me being fully trained to know what to do rather than
some pet owner who never went to an obedience class, or anything.  Kind of
the same 
with children, but I won't go there.  Lol.    Debby

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