[nagdu] Pickup The Poop

Lisa dreamymarmot93 at yahoo.de
Wed Mar 25 18:52:42 UTC 2015 

thanks, Pam, that's interesting. :)
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pam" <pamyoung80 at gmail.com>
To: "Lisa" <dreamymarmot93 at yahoo.de>; "NAGDU Mailing List, the National 
Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Pickup The Poop


hi lisa. it is the same here in ireland and the uk. blind people r exempt 
from picking up after their guide dogs. however a lot of my friends live in 
apartments so feel they should pick up after their own dogs so they r shown 
how to leash relief when on class.

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> On 25 Mar 2015, at 17:52, Lisa via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hello Maria and all,
>
> just wanted to tell you that in Germany, blind people with guide dogs 
> don't have to pick up after their dogs either. Therefore it's not taught 
> to us during training.
> Well, on one hand I'm happy to be part of this exeption but of course I 
> did experience the same things as you, Maria. So people getting very angry 
> and disrespectful. I double-checked with our local authorities who all 
> confirmed to me that blind people don't have to pick up but the public 
> doesn't know that. That's a very uncomfortable feeling.
>
> I think the whole relieving issue is treated differently over here. 
> Because I was taught to let my dog on the long leash and don't bother him 
> so he can do his business. It sounds like you in the US/Canada learned to 
> observe your dog carefully and therefore know when they have relieved.
> Well, i'd be interested in learning how to pick up. Just to be capable of 
> doing it and do it in areas where I know there are people around or just 
> in places I don't know.
> Ah, and I should mention that of course I let my dog relieve only in 
> places where it should bother people the least. That means, of course not 
> on or next to the sidewalk/street/front lawn but between but under bushes 
> etc. Taylor also learnt to relieve in such areas, so he goes deeper into 
> the woods to do his business.
>
> Lisa
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mária Orovčíková via nagdu" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: "Vivianna" <irishana at gmail.com>; "NAGDU Mailing List,the National 
> Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 6:25 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] Relieving harness question, was Re: Pickup The Poop
>
>
>>    Hello list,
>> I've been reading this topic with interest.
>> The school I have my guide dog from do not teach us how to pick up after 
>> our guide dogs. Trainers say blind people and people with other 
>> disabilities  are exempted from picking up here in Slovakia.
>> I have read the state law regarding guide and assistance dogs very 
>> carefuly because I needed to have some knowledge when I did my thesis a 
>> few years ago. There was not a single word written about blind people and 
>> people with other disabilities being exempted from picking up.
>> There might be some local laws or documents saying about that, but each 
>> city/town/village might have it different.
>> For example when I asked the police in my town whether I  must pick up 
>> after my guide dog or not, they said people with disabilities were 
>> exempted from picking up after their dogs. When I asked them to provide 
>> me some documents regarding that, they were unable to give me them 
>> because they did not have any oficial document of that kind , I did not 
>> find it even on my town website.
>> When I went to other city to see my friend, I was told that I had to pick 
>> up after my dog.
>> The problem is I was not taught how to pick up and I had a blind friend 
>> and she could not help me with picking up as well, so I had to leave it 
>> on the grass. This happened many times.
>> I felt very embarrassed because I was not able to pick up after my dog 
>> and people shauted at me quite often for leaving it on the grass. Many 
>> people are quite upset about it which I understand perfectly.
>> I know in this situation relieving harness might be of help, but I am not 
>> sure if we have it here in Slovakia, so our guides are not trained using 
>> it.
>> Could you please explain how relieving harness works?
>> Do you put it on your dog right after you take him/herout or do you let 
>> your dog to go and do number one first and then put the relieving harness 
>> on your dog and let them do number two?
>> I hope I do not sound very silly, but I've never had relieving harnes, so 
>> cannot imagine how it works.
>> I know using relieving harness brings you advantages, but are there any 
>> disadvantages using it? If so, what these disadvantages are?
>> Thank you for your replies in advance.
>> With kind regards
>> Maria from Slovakia
>>> On 25. 3. 2015 14:25, Vivianna via nagdu wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>> i find that, if you relieve the dog where it does not move while 
>>> pooping, you can pick it up much better.
>>> try the following; first, don’t be afraid to feel your dog’s back.  this 
>>> way, you know where the poop is and, if the dog is even moving.
>>> try curbing the dog.  this will stop them from moving but, you will have 
>>> to pick up from the street.
>>> relieve the dog somewhere else where there is a boundary.  like, off the 
>>> side of a sidewalk or driveway.  this way you can treat it the same as 
>>> curbing the dog and, they will learn not to move past the boundary.
>>> if you really have multiple disabilities and can not pick up then, get a 
>>> relieving harness but, it’s much more of a pain than just picking up. 
>>> thousands of us do it with no problems, you can too.  just practice and 
>>> you will figure out the best way for you.
>>> hope this helps.
>>>
>>> Vivianna
>>>
>>>> On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:11 AM, Becky Frankeberger via nagdu 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If anyone should have the relieving harness, it is you Elise. My dad on
>>>> dialysis would get dizzy for no reason. So please ask GDB for one and 
>>>> since
>>>> you are close to campus, they can come out and show you how to use this
>>>> marvel.
>>>>
>>>> I know for a fact with my health taking a bit of a nose dive I will ask 
>>>> for
>>>> one next time. If someone knows where I can buy one now, this would be
>>>> amazing help for me. I gather GDB has them and offers them to grads who 
>>>> need
>>>> it. Elise you need one. Those with second disabilities need one to stay
>>>> independent. Becky for sure needs one and will buy one if someone tells 
>>>> me
>>>> where I can get one.
>>>>
>>>> b.butterfly at comcast.net
>>>>
>>>> Warmly,
>>>>
>>>> Becky and her Jake, dats me, toothy grin. Love Jake
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elise 
>>>> Berkley via
>>>> nagdu
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 8:53 PM
>>>> To: National Users
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Pickup The Poop
>>>>
>>>> Hey, everyone.  I have been taking Becky to relieve herself in the 
>>>> alley
>>>> behind my apartment building.  It is a rather large area and I give her 
>>>> area
>>>> to go.  They taught me how to pick up behind her, but I guess I have 
>>>> been
>>>> missing some of it.  Someone mentioned it to me (not a big deal), but 
>>>> they
>>>> did not want anyone else to mention it.  Does anyone have suggestions 
>>>> on how
>>>> to make sure I am picking up everything from her?  Thanks.
>>>> Elise and Becky
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