[nagdu] Relieving harness question, was Re: Pickup The Poop

Wed Mar 25 19:04:34 UTC 2015

I heard on another list that the folks in New Zealand train their guide dogs
with the relieving harness from puppyhood. Sounds like a good idea.
Donna & Hunter

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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan via
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Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 2:51 PM
To: Pam; NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Relieving harness question, was Re: Pickup The Poop

Oh..yeah, they'll all get used to it. Heck, my puppy even doesn't mind, but
I started with her pretty much right away.

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> On Mar 25, 2015, at 2:37 PM, Pam via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> hi. i also wasn't taught how to leash relieve my dog. if i had asked i
would have been shown but i didn't know anything about it as she is my first
dog. however after having her a few months it was something i wanted to do.
my friend who has my dog's brother and lives in an apartment was shown how
to leash relief so she told me. so now i do it all the time. it's not the
nicest job in the world lol but i like being able to clean up after her
myself. most dogs seem pretty adaptable so i'm sure your dog would pick up
easily enough if u did decide to do it. my dog didn't really like her back
being touched at first when she was relieving but after a few times she was
fine with it. hope i have been of some help :)
>
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>> On 25 Mar 2015, at 18:08, Mária Orovèíková via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>>
>> Hello tracy and all,
>> thank you very much for great explanation.
>> I forgot to mention two quite important things:
>> 1. I have mild cerebral palsy which is the cause of my balance issues, so
picking up might be little difficult, but I am not saying it is not doable,
I've just neverdid had a chance to try because I was not taught how to do
that.
>> 2. My current dog is trained to go and relieve off-leash, so I do not
think it is possible to pick up after her that way.
>> Many guide dogs here are trained to relieve off-leash because trainers
said we are exempted from picking up.
>> My current guide dog is my first, so I did not know what to expect in
sense of not picking up and people being disappointed about it, so it did
not come on my mind to ask the trainer to train her relieving on leash
because I was told I did not have to pick up and all was fine the way it was
at that time.
>> Have a nice day.
>> With kind regards
>> Maria
>>> On 25. 3. 2015 18:39, Tracy Carcione wrote:
>>> Hi Maria.
>>> Blind people have been teaching each other how to pick up after their
dogs for years, so I'll have a go at explaining to you how it's done.
>>> Get a plastic bag big enough to fit comfortably over your whole hand.  I
like sandwich bags; others use grocery bags, and others buy special poop
bags.
>>> Keep the dog on a short enough leash so you can tell what it's doing.
Most dogs do a bit of a dance before pooping.  Some go in little circles,
and others wiggle their butts a bit.  When the dog stops moving, check her
back. If she's pooping, her back will have a definite arch down.  Remember
where her butt is, or point your foot at it.
>>> When she's done and moves away, put your hand into your bag and reach
down and feel around for the pile.  Scoop it into your hand and turn the bag
inside out, so now the poop is on the inside and your hand is on the
outside.  You can practice this beforehand by picking up something with the
bag, like an apple, for example.
>>> And there you are, all picked up, no mess on you or the ground.
>>> Hope I explained this well.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mária Orovèíková via nagdu"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: "Vivianna" <irishana at gmail.com>; "NAGDU Mailing List,the National
Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 1:25 PM
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Relieving harness question, was Re: Pickup The Poop
>>>
>>>
>>>>   Hello list,
>>>> I've been reading this topic with interest.
>>>> The school I have my guide dog from do not teach us how to pick up
after our guide dogs. Trainers say blind people and people with other
disabilities  are exempted from picking up here in Slovakia.
>>>> I have read the state law regarding guide and assistance dogs very
carefuly because I needed to have some knowledge when I did my thesis a few
years ago. There was not a single word written about blind people and people
with other disabilities being exempted from picking up.
>>>> There might be some local laws or documents saying about that, but each
city/town/village might have it different.
>>>> For example when I asked the police in my town whether I  must pick up
after my guide dog or not, they said people with disabilities were exempted
from picking up after their dogs. When I asked them to provide me some
documents regarding that, they were unable to give me them because they did
not have any oficial document of that kind , I did not find it even on my
town website.
>>>> When I went to other city to see my friend, I was told that I had to
pick up after my dog.
>>>> The problem is I was not taught how to pick up and I had a blind friend
and she could not help me with picking up as well, so I had to leave it on
the grass. This happened many times.
>>>> I felt very embarrassed because I was not able to pick up after my dog
and people shauted at me quite often for leaving it on the grass. Many
people are quite upset about it which I understand perfectly.
>>>> I know in this situation relieving harness might be of help, but I am
not sure if we have it here in Slovakia, so our guides are not trained using
it.
>>>> Could you please explain how relieving harness works?
>>>> Do you put it on your dog right after you take him/herout or do you let
your dog to go and do number one first and then put the relieving harness on
your dog and let them do number two?
>>>> I hope I do not sound very silly, but I've never had relieving harnes,
so cannot imagine how it works.
>>>> I know using relieving harness brings you advantages, but are there any
disadvantages using it? If so, what these disadvantages are?
>>>> Thank you for your replies in advance.
>>>> With kind regards
>>>> Maria from Slovakia
>>>>> On 25. 3. 2015 14:25, Vivianna via nagdu wrote:
>>>>> Hi.
>>>>> i find that, if you relieve the dog where it does not move while
pooping, you can pick it up much better.
>>>>> try the following; first, don't be afraid to feel your dog's back.
this way, you know where the poop is and, if the dog is even moving.
>>>>> try curbing the dog.  this will stop them from moving but, you will
have to pick up from the street.
>>>>> relieve the dog somewhere else where there is a boundary. like, off
the side of a sidewalk or driveway.  this way you can treat it the same as
curbing the dog and, they will learn not to move past the boundary.
>>>>> if you really have multiple disabilities and can not pick up then, get
a relieving harness but, it's much more of a pain than just picking up.
thousands of us do it with no problems, you can too.  just practice and you
will figure out the best way for you.
>>>>> hope this helps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Vivianna
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:11 AM, Becky Frankeberger via nagdu
<nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If anyone should have the relieving harness, it is you Elise. My dad
on
>>>>>> dialysis would get dizzy for no reason. So please ask GDB for one and
since
>>>>>> you are close to campus, they can come out and show you how to use
this
>>>>>> marvel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know for a fact with my health taking a bit of a nose dive I will
ask for
>>>>>> one next time. If someone knows where I can buy one now, this would
be
>>>>>> amazing help for me. I gather GDB has them and offers them to grads
who need
>>>>>> it. Elise you need one. Those with second disabilities need one to
stay
>>>>>> independent. Becky for sure needs one and will buy one if someone
tells me
>>>>>> where I can get one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> b.butterfly at comcast.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Warmly,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Becky and her Jake, dats me, toothy grin. Love Jake
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elise
Berkley via
>>>>>> nagdu
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 8:53 PM
>>>>>> To: National Users
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Pickup The Poop
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey, everyone.  I have been taking Becky to relieve herself in the
alley
>>>>>> behind my apartment building.  It is a rather large area and I give
her area
>>>>>> to go.  They taught me how to pick up behind her, but I guess I have
been
>>>>>> missing some of it.  Someone mentioned it to me (not a big deal), but
they
>>>>>> did not want anyone else to mention it.  Does anyone have suggestions
on how
>>>>>> to make sure I am picking up everything from her?  Thanks.
>>>>>> Elise and Becky
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