[nagdu] Pickup The Poop

Becky Frankeberger b.butterfly at comcast.net
Thu Mar 26 01:53:06 UTC 2015


Hey Sandra, I pulled my four foot ten inch frame up and told Pilot Dogs in
1993 I wasn't leaving until they taught me how to pick up poop. Director Jay
Gray, Steve Hoyt and a few others in charge said I was not required to pick
up. Even my classmates were like Becky drop it. No way would I drop it. I
stood my ground and Steve Hoyt handed me a bag and gave me the very basics.
My dog liked pooping on the bumper cement thing on the edge of the relief
area. So he told me to put my hand in the bag scoop up the poop on that edge
and turn the bag inside out. You the handlers out there taught me to be
aware of texture, how to get my traveler to stay still so all the lumps
would be in one place and so on. 

So thank you fine handlers of guide dogs out there in the world. We stand
together to help each other.

Becky and Jake 
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of S L Johnson via
nagdu
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 1:22 PM
To: Raven Tolliver; NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Pickup The Poop

Hello:

When I got my first dog in 1975, we were not taught to pick up.  I think it
was the late 70s to mid 80s I began to hear more discussion about us
cleaning up ourselves.  I think the schools finally began teaching it as a
result of pressure from their graduates.  In some busy city areas, it isn't
safe to bend down into the street to pick up.  In that case, your safety is
the priority.  also there are some people who cannot bend down due to their
physical disabilities so, we have to remember not to look down on them for
this.  No matter how hard we try, sometimes we might miss a bit, especially
with dogs who move around a lot.  My last dog was so sensitive that she
would move if I touched her so, it took me a very long time to get her
comfortable with being touched.  I wonder how many puppy raisers touch their
puppies to get them used to it.  When they are raising and training them,
they should touch and feel their bodies like we have to do.  That would sure

make it easier for us once we get them.   As for the relieving harness, I've

heard good and bad about them.  Also, it is just one more thing you have to
drag with you.

Sandra and Eva

-----Original Message-----
From: Raven Tolliver via nagdu
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 2:01 PM
To: Lisa ; NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Pickup The Poop

Lisa,
Very interesting.
While not having to pick up poop is a relief from certain duties, I think it
is important. A dog's poop is a good way to tell what's going on in his
body. It's very good to keep track of when and whether your dog's poop is
firm, soft, loose, runny, mucousy, diarrhea, or contains some foreign
object/s. It's also helpful to know for how long a dog has a certain type of
stool. This will tell you if your dog has an internal imbalance, or a health
concern. Obviously, there are other ways to tell if your dog is off
physically, but checking out the poop is an easy route.
--
Raven
You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you have or
what you do.

Naturally-reared guide dogs
https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs

On 3/25/15, Lisa via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Maria and all,
>
> just wanted to tell you that in Germany, blind people with guide dogs 
> don't have to pick up after their dogs either. Therefore it's not 
> taught to us during training.
> Well, on one hand I'm happy to be part of this exeption but of course 
> I did experience the same things as you, Maria. So people getting very 
> angry and disrespectful. I double-checked with our local authorities 
> who all confirmed to me that blind people don't have to pick up but 
> the public doesn't know that. That's a very uncomfortable feeling.
>
> I think the whole relieving issue is treated differently over here. 
> Because
> I was taught to let my dog on the long leash and don't bother him so 
> he can do his business. It sounds like you in the US/Canada learned to 
> observe your dog carefully and therefore know when they have relieved.
> Well, i'd be interested in learning how to pick up. Just to be capable 
> of doing it and do it in areas where I know there are people around or 
> just in places I don't know.
> Ah, and I should mention that of course I let my dog relieve only in 
> places where it should bother people the least. That means, of course 
> not on or next to the sidewalk/street/front lawn but between but under 
> bushes etc.
> Taylor also learnt to relieve in such areas, so he goes deeper into 
> the woods to do his business.
>
> Lisa
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MC!ria OrovD
C-kovC! via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: "Vivianna" <irishana at gmail.com>; "NAGDU Mailing List,the National 
> Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 6:25 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] Relieving harness question, was Re: Pickup The Poop
>
>
>>     Hello list,
>> I've been reading this topic with interest.
>> The school I have my guide dog from do not teach us how to pick up 
>> after our guide dogs. Trainers say blind people and people with other 
>> disabilities  are exempted from picking up here in Slovakia.
>> I have read the state law regarding guide and assistance dogs very 
>> carefuly because I needed to have some knowledge when I did my thesis 
>> a few years ago. There was not a single word written about blind 
>> people and people with other disabilities being exempted from picking up.
>> There might be some local laws or documents saying about that, but 
>> each city/town/village might have it different.
>> For example when I asked the police in my town whether I  must pick 
>> up after my guide dog or not, they said people with disabilities were 
>> exempted from picking up after their dogs. When I asked them to 
>> provide me
>>
>> some documents regarding that, they were unable to give me them 
>> because they did not have any oficial document of that kind , I did 
>> not find it even on my town website.
>> When I went to other city to see my friend, I was told that I had to 
>> pick up after my dog.
>> The problem is I was not taught how to pick up and I had a blind 
>> friend and she could not help me with picking up as well, so I had to 
>> leave it on
>>
>> the grass. This happened many times.
>> I felt very embarrassed because I was not able to pick up after my 
>> dog and
>>
>> people shauted at me quite often for leaving it on the grass. Many 
>> people are quite upset about it which I understand perfectly.
>> I know in this situation relieving harness might be of help, but I am 
>> not sure if we have it here in Slovakia, so our guides are not 
>> trained using it.
>> Could you please explain how relieving harness works?
>> Do you put it on your dog right after you take him/herout or do you 
>> let your dog to go and do number one first and then put the relieving 
>> harness on your dog and let them do number two?
>> I hope I do not sound very silly, but I've never had relieving 
>> harnes, so cannot imagine how it works.
>> I know using relieving harness brings you advantages, but are there 
>> any disadvantages using it? If so, what these disadvantages are?
>> Thank you for your replies in advance.
>> With kind regards
>> Maria from Slovakia
>> On 25. 3. 2015 14:25, Vivianna via nagdu wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>> i find that, if you relieve the dog where it does not move while 
>>> pooping,
>>>
>>> you can pick it up much better.
>>> try the following; first, donb?Tt be afraid to feel your dogb?Ts back. 
>>> this
>>> way, you know where the poop is and, if the dog is even moving.
>>> try curbing the dog.  this will stop them from moving but, you will 
>>> have to pick up from the street.
>>> relieve the dog somewhere else where there is a boundary.  like, off 
>>> the side of a sidewalk or driveway.  this way you can treat it the 
>>> same as curbing the dog and, they will learn not to move past the
boundary.
>>> if you really have multiple disabilities and can not pick up then, 
>>> get a relieving harness but, itb?Ts much more of a pain than just
picking up.
>>> thousands of us do it with no problems, you can too.  just practice 
>>> and you will figure out the best way for you.
>>> hope this helps.
>>>
>>> Vivianna
>>>
>>>> On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:11 AM, Becky Frankeberger via nagdu 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If anyone should have the relieving harness, it is you Elise. My 
>>>> dad on dialysis would get dizzy for no reason. So please ask GDB 
>>>> for one and since you are close to campus, they can come out and 
>>>> show you how to use this marvel.
>>>>
>>>> I know for a fact with my health taking a bit of a nose dive I will 
>>>> ask for one next time. If someone knows where I can buy one now, 
>>>> this would be amazing help for me. I gather GDB has them and offers 
>>>> them to grads who need it. Elise you need one. Those with second 
>>>> disabilities need one to stay independent. Becky for sure needs one 
>>>> and will buy one if someone tells me where I can get one.
>>>>
>>>> b.butterfly at comcast.net
>>>>
>>>> Warmly,
>>>>
>>>> Becky and her Jake, dats me, toothy grin. Love Jake
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elise 
>>>> Berkley
>>>>
>>>> via
>>>> nagdu
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 8:53 PM
>>>> To: National Users
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Pickup The Poop
>>>>
>>>> Hey, everyone.  I have been taking Becky to relieve herself in the 
>>>> alley behind my apartment building.  It is a rather large area and 
>>>> I give her area to go.  They taught me how to pick up behind her, 
>>>> but I guess I have been missing some of it.  Someone mentioned it 
>>>> to me (not a big deal), but they did not want anyone else to 
>>>> mention it.  Does anyone have suggestions on
>>>>
>>>> how
>>>> to make sure I am picking up everything from her?  Thanks.
>>>> Elise and Becky
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