[nagdu] Guide dog users, get ready for it...

Sat Mar 28 20:59:52 UTC 2015

Except for when the tabernacle, if ever, is open to the public. 

Best,

Michael Hingson

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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Weiner via
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To: 'Aaron Cannon'; 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide dog users, get ready for it...

Except for  the tabernacle, I think...I once heard that the tabernacle  or
temple in Washington, DC,  had a  policy of not allowing guide dogs because
of possible allergies and what was described as "the peace and harmony"
necessary in the place.

Has anyone heard that as well? 

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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide dog users, get ready for it...

The LDS Church (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) does have a
policy to allow access to folks accompanied by service animals in chapel
buildings, including when church services are taking place.

Otherwise, I don't think it would matter that your local LDS Church allows
access to the Boy Scouts, as they are likely an exempt organization as well,
being a private club.  In other words, if a church hosts the Boy Scouts, it
probably doesn't effect their ADA status.

Aaron

On 3/27/15, Star Gazer via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I think that churches don't have to allow someone with a guide dog to 
> worship there, but they can't prevent you from voting or attending 
> other nonchurch type functions.
> We have an LDS church near our house. They are also the local polling 
> place, and the Girl Scouts (as do the Boy Scouts) use the church for
meetings.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sheila 
> Leigland via nagdu
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 12:36 PM
> To: Tara Briggs; NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide 
> Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide dog users, get ready for it...
>
> unfortunately, you are correct and I'll always choose to attend church 
> where my dog is welcome.
>
> On 3/27/2015 9:08 AM, Tara Briggs via nagdu wrote:
>> Hi all, thanks for the article! It was very interesting. It is my 
>> understanding that churches already have the right to refuse access 
>> to a service dog. I live in Utah and it has happened to me. It is my 
>> understanding that the Americans with disabilities act does not cover 
>> churches. I would love to hear any thoughts on the situation.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 27, 2015, at 5:19 AM, Buddy Brannan via nagdu 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> At least if you live in Indiana. While this doesn't address us in 
>>> specific, be ready for denial of service on religious grounds. Yes, 
>>> it's probable that a challenge to our rights wouldn't stand up 
>>> (federal law probably wins), but that doesn't mean it *couldn't* happen.
>>>
>>> ...And then they came for me.
>>>
>>> http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/03/indiana-gov-mike-pence-s
>>> i
>>> gns-gay-discrimination-bill
>>>
>>> Indiana Just Made It Easier to Discriminate Against Gay People-And 
>>> Just About Anyone Else
>>>
>>>
>>> Over loud objections from Indiana business leaders, GOP Gov. Mike 
>>> Pence signed a bill into law Thursday that protects business owners 
>>> who refuse service to gay and lesbian customers on religious 
>>> grounds. Organizers of mass events in Indianapolis, including the 
>>> NCAA's Final Four, immediately decried the law as discriminatory, 
>>> and suggested that the bill might cause the state to lose out on 
>>> future
business.
>>>
>>> The law allows Indianans who are sued for discrimination to cite 
>>> their religious beliefs as a defense. It applies to a broad range of 
>>> situations. An employer who refused to hire Jewish employees could 
>>> cite his religious beliefs as a defense against discrimination 
>>> lawsuits. So could a landlord who refused to rent to Muslims, or a 
>>> business that refused to serve atheists.
>>>
>>> At a news conference that followed the private signing, Pence 
>>> explaining he signed the bill "because I support the freedom of 
>>> religion for every Hoosier of every faith.Today, many people of 
>>> faith feel their religious liberty is under attack by government 
>>> action." He cited the University of Notre Dame's fight to prevent 
>>> its employees from accessing birth control as an example.
>>>
>>> Pence may have signed the bill as a way to better position himself 
>>> for a run in the 2016 GOP presidential primaries. Last year, facing 
>>> opposition from Democrats and state business leaders, and intense 
>>> media scrutiny, Pence and conservative Republicans abandoned a bill 
>>> that would have banned same-sex marriage in Indiana. But the bill 
>>> Pence signed Thursday drew much less organized opposition and press.
>>>
>>> Pence disputed the idea that this latest bill allowed 
>>> discrimination. "If I thought it legalized discrimination in any way 
>>> in Indiana, I would have vetoed it," he said.
>>>
>>> Lawmakers have introduced billspermitting businesses to discriminate 
>>> against LGBT individuals in almost two dozen states this year. They 
>>> are part of a wave of anti-LGBT bills that has crested as the 
>>> Supreme Court prepares to rule on whether same-sex marriage should 
>>> be legal throughout the county. The decision will likely come down 
>>> in
June.
>>>
>>> After Pence signed the bill, Jason Collins, the first openly gay NBA 
>>> player before he retired last year, sounded off on Twitter:
>>>
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: 814-860-3194
>>> Mobile: 814-431-0962
>>> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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