[nagdu] Theft prevention WAS Re: restaurants and cafes

Sat May 16 23:16:57 UTC 2015

This is not acceptable behavior for a guide dog.  
what do you mean when you say that your commands did not work?  does this mean that, she got away with the bad behavior?  did you just keep letting her walk around?
i agree, call pilot. 
how is her guiding?  are you using her as a guide dog?  for example, when you are out with your parents, does she guide you?

Vivianna

> On May 16, 2015, at 6:05 PM, Passle Helminski via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Please call Pilot.
> 
> Passle
> 
> On May 16, 2015, at 6:04 PM, John Sanders via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I have a question:  when I was eating in a restaurant with my parents one evening; Mollie started to sniff around and started to walk around.
>> We were sitting at a booth.
>> I did the following:
>> 1. Gave her a leash correction and gave her the command"Mollie lay!".
>> That didn't work.
>> 2.  I gave the command "Mollie come" and that didn't work either.
>> she is only 18 months.
>> How should I go about fixing this?
>> I hope to hear from you soon.
>> Sincerely,
>> John Sanders
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Debby Phillips via nagdu
>> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 4:48 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Debby Phillips
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Theft prevention WAS Re: restaurants and cafes
>> 
>> Some dogs will go off with anybody it seems. That always scares me a bit. Others will hardly let you  out of their sight. Both extremes are terrine.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 16, 2015, at 1:09 PM, Tami Jarvis via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Debby,
>>> 
>>> You are not the only paranoid about theft. I used to worry a lot, then realized that anyone trying to walk off with Mitzi would be in for a big surprise. She's overboard with the velcro, and I had to work with her to get her to agree to let even her best human friends to hold her leash. I made sure to let groomers and vet techs know that they needed to wait for me to hand them her leash before she would go with them. Most actually understand when I explain why. Even if I'm spaced off sitting at the bus stop in the noisy city, no one can just sneak off with the nice poodle without my noticing.
>>> 
>>> Then there's Mr. Friendly... I'm teaching him not to go off with the groomer or the folks at the vet's office until I hand them the leash in the hopes he will get the idea not to go off with whichever long lost best friend wants to take him for a walk while I'm not looking. He's pretty velcro, too, so that should help. I hope he's not such a pain as Mitzi if I want to go for a swim or something and leave him with a friend at the side of the pool, but I do want to teach him not to go off with strangers just because they smile pretty and have their hands on his leash.
>>> 
>>> For restaurants, I do what most people do, it seems, and clip the leash around my leg so I will feel if there's any disturbance. Poodles are notoriously fidgety, especially if there's a lot going on that they can't watch, so being able to feel movement helps with training them to stay settled or to settle them back down. I'm using what I learned from Mitzi to get a head start with Loki, so by the time he's working in restaurants, I'll be able to eat and enjoy from the beginning.
>>> 
>>> Tami
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 05/16/2015 06:58 AM, Debby Phillips via nagdu wrote:
>>>> Okay call me paranoid but even though my dog lies quietly at my feet, I always try to have hold of the Leash so that nobody can steal my dog.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 15, 2015, at 11:23 PM, Raven Tolliver via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> When I first got my golden, I looped the short leash over my knee.
>>>>> He just crashes when I'm sitting though, so I usually just drop the
>>>>> leash, lay it across his back, or weave it through the harness.
>>>>> Sometimes, I will sit with the leash looped around my ankle. He just
>>>>> sleeps, so I make sure I know where the leash is in case I need to
>>>>> grab it at a moment's notice.
>>>>> I position him under the chair, beside the chair if they have the
>>>>> horizontal bars between the legs, or in front of my feet if I am
>>>>> sitting on a couch or booth. I do as much as I can to keep him out of
>>>>> the way and out of the sight of others.
>>>>> I always love it when my friends say they forgot my dog was even with
>>>>> us, or if other customers or the waitress comment that they didn't
>>>>> even know a dog was in here.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Raven
>>>>> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
>>>>> have or what you do.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Naturally-reared guide dogs
>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 5/15/15, Sonja O via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> For hands free, over the shoulder styles, I would check out bold lead
>>>>>> design.
>>>>>> They can make you custom ones.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://boldleaddesigns.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Or you can contact karen with lds leather.
>>>>>> Either way, they got nice leads.
>>>>>> Best, sonja and chief :)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 15, 2015, at 6:06 AM, Darla J. Rogers via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dear rox,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Where do you obtain a hands-free leash?  This sounds like the ticket for
>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>> since holding mu foot on the leash isn't always easy because of some
>>>>>>> nerve
>>>>>>> damage.
>>>>>>> Darla & the Mighty Nose of Missouri
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Darla J. Rogers M.S.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Djrogers0628 at gmail.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> When you judge another, you do not define them, you define yourself."
>>>>>>> ¯ Wayne W. Dyer
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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