[nagdu] update

Wed May 27 21:59:32 UTC 2015

You actually should not correct at all when the leash is attached to a
head collar. Instead of a sudden, sharp  correction, you can use more
constant, gentle pressure to guide your dogs head in a particular
direction. Of course, you can cause serious injury to your dog if the
head collar is used improperly; however, the same is true of a slip
chain collar or any other type of equipment for that matter. Most dogs
are not going to be thrilled with wearing a Halti or Gentle Leader at
first so its important to introduce it gradually, just as a dog must
get used to wearing a regular collar or harness.

Danielle and Thai
On 5/27/15, Cindy Ray via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I think that is especially true when you have the leash on the ring that is
> around the nose and muzzle.
> Cindy
>
>
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> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sheila Leigland
> via nagdu
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 4:42 PM
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> Cc: Sheila Leigland
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] update
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> I don't have much experience with a gentle leader or halty because both of
> my dogs especially Tres hates them. I have heard that if you correct to hard
> the dog can be hurt is that correct?
>
> On 5/27/2015 3:36 PM, Buddy Brannan via nagdu wrote:
>> Like any tool, including the GL, this one can be misused. No tool in
>> itself is good or bad. BTW, yes, you really can hurt your dog very badly
>> with a GL or Halti.
>>
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: 814-860-3194
>> Mobile: 814-431-0962
>> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 27, 2015, at 8:18 AM, Nimer Jaber via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> This is just another tool that an individual uses to control unwanted
>>> behavior.  I wouldn't use it, but nobody asks me to use it...Martingale
>>> doesn't always work I find, and while most dogs respond to the gentle
>>> leader positively, it just doesn't work for some dogs.  Still, it seems
>>> like those people that are resorting to spikes are getting too much dog
>>> and possibly can't handle what they are given...I could be way dead
>>> wrong, but that's what it seems like to me.
>>>
>>> Thanks, and here's hoping you get things figured out soon.
>>>
>>> On 5/27/2015 07:13, Abigail Bolling via nagdu wrote:
>>>> Wouldn't a gentle leader or a martingale do the same thing? Without
>>>> digging spikes into the chest of the dog? Just a thought.
>>>>
>>>> Abigail Bolling
>>>>
>>>> Wright State University-2019: Social Work
>>>>
>>>> "Keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let
>>>> the music play." (Julie Anderson Diamond)
>>>>
>>>>> On May 27, 2015, at 5:34 AM, Amber M via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Still issued to every grad but not required to be used unless
>>>>> instructed to do so. Will say I was instructed to use mine and did so
>>>>> in class but have removed and replaced with the plain piece of leather.
>>>>> Not that I enjoyed using it at all but just saying once home can find
>>>>> other ways of dealing with the pulling.
>>>>>
>>>>> Description is correct though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Amber
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 26, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Buddy Brannan via nagdu
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A Pilot grad can correct me if I'm wrong, but.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pilot's harnesses have a feature that, to my knowledge, no other guide
>>>>>> dog school's equipment has. (Well, the leashes do, too...the leashes
>>>>>> are a bit longer than most, and can be made into an impromptu muzzle.)
>>>>>> Anyway, there are two snaps on the chest strap. Normally, a piece of
>>>>>> leather is snapped in between them, straight across. However, one can
>>>>>> take that out and snap into its place a set of blunt prongs. I think
>>>>>> the purpose of these is to discourage the dog from excessive/too hard
>>>>>> of a pull. I believe these were issued at one time to all grads as a
>>>>>> matter of course, but I don't think they are anymore, except in
>>>>>> specific circumstances and if a trainer thinks a dog needs them very
>>>>>> specifically. Pilot grads, please correct any factual errors on my
>>>>>> part, but I *think* this is what Abby's talking about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>>> Phone: 814-860-3194
>>>>>> Mobile: 814-431-0962
>>>>>> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 26, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Shannon Dyer via nagdu
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Abby,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What’s a chest pad? I’ve never heard of it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good luck with everything. Waiting can be torture.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Shannon and the Acelet
>>>>>>>> On May 26, 2015, at 12:13 PM, Abigail Bolling via nagdu
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>> Well, I have a friend with me now, and we went on a walk on
>>>>>>>> Saturday. A pretty long walk… (about 3 miles to be exact.) She saw
>>>>>>>> first hand my problems with Jada.
>>>>>>>> An update about Leader. They want to evaluate Jada. I have called
>>>>>>>> and told them that taking Jada to re-evaluate and return her to me
>>>>>>>> (once again) will not be a good idea. They’ve done this once with
>>>>>>>> Her and she did not trust me afterward. I had to restart the bonding
>>>>>>>> process, and I can’t afford to do that right now. So they are
>>>>>>>> sending a trainer out to me next week.
>>>>>>>> I have spoken with Pilot and they are willing to accept me after I
>>>>>>>> have a physical done. I have told pilot that I would attend their
>>>>>>>> school as long as I would not be required to use the chest pads,
>>>>>>>> which I do not agree with at all, and a shock collar will never be
>>>>>>>> put on my dog. The student services rep I spoke with said those
>>>>>>>> wouldn’t be a problem, so we’ll see what happens. I am really hoping
>>>>>>>> Leader will kind of, to put it bluntly, step it up a notch because I
>>>>>>>> can’t afford to wait and mess around.
>>>>>>>> So anyway, I’m a little frustrated, Jada’s tired but she still
>>>>>>>> wants to work and becomes a holy terror on four paws, so I work her
>>>>>>>> or else my apartment will get destroyed. But I can personally say, I
>>>>>>>> don’t like this waiting around. Anyway, Another thing with Jada, I
>>>>>>>> found another bump on her leg. About a year and a half or so ago,
>>>>>>>> Jada had to have surgery for a fatty tumor in her leg… Well, it
>>>>>>>> looks like the bump is back. It’s very small and oblong, but it’s
>>>>>>>> harder than the last one. It is just above her scarred area, so it
>>>>>>>> may just be her muscle knotted up from the surgery. To get the last
>>>>>>>> tumor out of her leg, the vet had to cut and go under her muscle, so
>>>>>>>> it could be that too. But all I see is a bump that isn’t supposed to
>>>>>>>> be there, and wasn’t there a week ago.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway, those are the updates as of now. I’ll let y’all know if
>>>>>>>> there are any other developments.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Abby and Princess Jada.
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