[nagdu] Tie-Downs for our Guides on Access Shuttles

Robert Stigile rstigile at gmail.com
Sat Oct 3 23:44:25 UTC 2015 

Mike,
Well, you can thank the people that felt their dogs were sliding around, when they should have been holding on to them.
That is why this is in place, people were complaining and access went to a school and said what do we do.
This is in place because of that, and yes, it is optional.


----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Hingson via nagdu  <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
To: his'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"  <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Date: Saturday, October 3, 2015 4:04 pm
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Tie-Downs for our Guides on Access Shuttles

>
>
> All true, but what if some para transit system suddenly requires tie downs? It is a potential problem. 
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> 
> Michael Hingson
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tina Thomas via nagdu
> Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 3:49 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Tina Thomas <judotina48kg at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Tie-Downs for our Guides on Access Shuttles
> 
> Robert- you are absolutely right. A driver told me about the tie down for the dog the other day and she explained we don't have to use it. It is totally up to the handler. 
> Tina and the girls 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of robert stigile via nagdu
> Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 3:14 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: robert stigile
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Tie-Downs for our Guides on Access Shuttles
> 
> just to let you know it is not mandatory
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Oct 3, 2015, at 2:50 PM, Michael Hingson via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > 
> > Even so, when the dog is tied down away from you control by you of your guide dog is lost. This is not a good idea.
> > 
> > 
> > Mike Hingson
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elise 
> > Berkley via nagdu
> > Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 2:13 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Elise Berkley <bravaegf at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Tie-Downs for our Guides on Access Shuttles
> > 
> > Hey, everyone.  I got further info on this.  Another driver explained it better to me.  The tie down is not connected to the neck.  But, rather, it is connected some kind of a way to the harness.  I still have not seen how it works, and I  found out I have a choice to do this or not.  It is not a requirement.
> > Elise and Becky
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jody Ianuzzi via nagdu
> > Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2015 9:55 AM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing Listeathe National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Cc: Jody Ianuzzi
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Tie-Downs for our Guides on Access Shuttles
> > 
> > There is no way I would tether my dog by his collar in a moving vehicle because if the vehicle stop quickly he could break his neck.
> > 
> > JODY ?his
> > thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
> > 
> > "There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes." 
> > DOCTOR WHO (Tom Baker)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> On Oct 2, 2015, at 11:47 PM, Raven Tolliver via nagdu 
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> I think this is useful for people who cannot secure their dogs with 
> >> their bodies on public transportation. More specifically, we as blind 
> >> people have ways of positioning our dogs so that they are secured 
> >> between our legs on buses. People in wheelchairs are typically unable 
> >> to secure their dogs using their legs, so a tie down might be 
> >> convenient for such an individual. If you have limited mobility in 
> >> any way, this might be useful.
> >> -
> >> Raven
> >> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
> >> www.1am-editing.com
> >> 
> >> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you 
> >> have or what you do.
> >> 
> >> Naturally-reared guide dogs
> >> https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs
> >> 
> >>> On 10/2/15, Cindy Ray via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>> I had really not thought of it before, but I could see some 
> >>> advantages as long as I can be close to the dog. You wear seatbelts.
> >>> However, I don't know myself how easily you could get the things off.
> >>> xo
> >>> 
> >>>> On Oct 2, 2015, at 9:26 PM, larry d keeler via nagdu 
> >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>> Never had an issue where it would be required. Interesting concept 
> >>>> though!
> >>>> Personally, I don't really like it much.
> >>>> 
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elise 
> >>>> Berkley via nagdu
> >>>> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 9:56 PM
> >>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >>>> Cc: Elise Berkley
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Tie-Downs for our Guides on Access Shuttles
> >>>> 
> >>>> They told me she would still be close enough for me to touch.  It 
> >>>> just makes me nervous when I think of the possibilities of 
> >>>> something happening and I do not know how to unattach the tie-down.
> >>>> Elise and Becky
> >>>> 
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Cindy Ray via nagdu
> >>>> Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 6:43 PM
> >>>> To: NAGDU Mailing Listeathe National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >>>> Cc: Cindy Ray
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Tie-Downs for our Guides on Access Shuttles
> >>>> 
> >>>> How close would you be sitting to her if she were tied down? I 
> >>>> think it is definitely your decision, but I'm not completely sure.
> >>>> Cindy Lou Ray
> >>>> cindyray at gmail.com
> >>>> 
> >>>>> On Oct 2, 2015, at 8:36 PM, Elise Berkley via nagdu 
> >>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Hey, everyone.  I wanted to get your thoughts on this.
> >>>>> Becky and I were going to school on the Access shuttle and the 
> >>>>> driver asked me if I wanted Becky tied down.  I did not know what 
> >>>>> he was talking about and I told him no.  Becky went up the ramp 
> >>>>> and sat quietly the whole trip (about 10 minutes.)
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I found out that, for the dog's safety and so they cannot move 
> >>>>> around, they have these new gadgets.  You hook a shorter leash in 
> >>>>> a ring and then the other end gets snapped down where they tie 
> >>>>> down the wheelchairs.  I really do not like this idea of her being 
> >>>>> tied down at all.  She is behaved enough not to move around.  I 
> >>>>> What if we get in an accident, and I cannot get my dog loose.
> >>>>> Maybe they are trying to do a good thing, and maybe I do not understand fully.
> >>>>> Let Becky and I know what you think.
> >>>>> Elise and Becky (San Diego bound)
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Robert Stigile
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President San Fernando Valley Chapter

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