[nagdu] Vol 127, Issue 6 allergies

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Tue Oct 6 16:12:36 UTC 2015


My experience from treating a dog with allergies is that most veterinarians have medications that will control the allergies. The downside is that the cost of treatment is not cheap so if you do not have insurance to cover the cost then your next course of action should be contacting the school from which you received your dog and see if they are able to help you pay for the medications, the next option would be to retired the dog and get a new Guide. I know that from my experience that the longer you try to treat the allergies on a Guide Dog that there will be other medical issues come up that makes it hard for the dog to work for you.


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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Tie-Downs for our Guides on Access Shuttles
      (Becky Frankeberger)
   2. Impulse control (Tracy Carcione)
   3. Re: Low cal food (Lisa Belville)
   4. Allergies re-re-re-re-re-visited (Daryl Marie)
   5. Re: Impulse control (Debby Phillips)
   6. Re: Impulse control (Tami Jarvis)
   7. Re: Impulse control (Danielle Cyclorama)
   8. Re: Allergies re-re-re-re-re-visited (The Pawpower Pack)
   9. Re: Low cal food (Raven Tolliver)
  10. Re: Impulse control (Raven Tolliver)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 08:24:38 -0700
From: "Becky Frankeberger" <b.butterfly at comcast.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
        Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Tie-Downs for our Guides on Access Shuttles
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Raven that is a very good idea. But for those whose harnesses don't have rabbit ears like our fellow handlers from GDB, what do you suggest? Well looping the leash around the back strap and then around your seat belt would help some, keeping the dog between your knees so the dog flies forward against the chest strap, I suppose anyway.

Becky and Jake

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Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 2:22 AM
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Cc: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Tie-Downs for our Guides on Access Shuttles

Instead of having the leash connected to the collar, you can loop it through the rabbit ears of the harness, then connect it to a seat belt or other tie down that way. It's easier to slow or limit sudden forward motion when restricting their body, rather than restricting them by their neck.
--
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On 10/5/15, Elise Berkley via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello, Michael.  I totally agree with you.  When I cannot get to her
> (even though she will be close to me still), the whole idea of not
> having that total control bothers me.  I am so glad that this is still
> my choice to tie her down or not.  I choose not.
> Elise and Becky
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Hingson via nagdu
> Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2015 2:50 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Michael Hingson
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Tie-Downs for our Guides on Access Shuttles
>
> Even so, when the dog is tied down away from you control by you of
> your guide dog is lost. This is not a good idea.
>
>
> Mike Hingson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elise
> Berkley via nagdu
> Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 2:13 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Elise Berkley <bravaegf at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Tie-Downs for our Guides on Access Shuttles
>
> Hey, everyone.  I got further info on this.  Another driver explained
> it better to me.  The tie down is not connected to the neck.  But,
> rather, it is connected some kind of a way to the harness.  I still
> have not seen how it works, and I  found out I have a choice to do
> this or not.  It is not a requirement.
> Elise and Becky
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jody Ianuzzi via nagdu
> Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2015 9:55 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Jody Ianuzzi
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Tie-Downs for our Guides on Access Shuttles
>
> There is no way I would tether my dog by his collar in a moving
> vehicle because if the vehicle stop quickly he could break his neck.
>
> JODY ?
> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
>
> "There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes."
> DOCTOR WHO (Tom Baker)
>
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>
>> On Oct 2, 2015, at 11:47 PM, Raven Tolliver via nagdu
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I think this is useful for people who cannot secure their dogs with
>> their bodies on public transportation. More specifically, we as blind
>> people have ways of positioning our dogs so that they are secured
>> between our legs on buses. People in wheelchairs are typically unable
>> to secure their dogs using their legs, so a tie down might be
>> convenient for such an individual. If you have limited mobility in
>> any way, this might be useful.
>> --
>> Raven
>> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
>> www.1am-editing.com
>>
>> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
>> have or what you do.
>>
>> Naturally-reared guide dogs
>> https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs
>>
>>> On 10/2/15, Cindy Ray via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> I had really not thought of it before, but I could see some
>>> advantages as long as I can be close to the dog. You wear seatbelts.
>>> However, I don?t know myself how easily you could get the things off.
>>> xo
>>>
>>>> On Oct 2, 2015, at 9:26 PM, larry d keeler via nagdu
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Never had an issue where it would be required. Interesting concept
>>>> though!
>>>> Personally, I don't really like it much.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elise
>>>> Berkley via nagdu
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 9:56 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Cc: Elise Berkley
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Tie-Downs for our Guides on Access Shuttles
>>>>
>>>> They told me she would still be close enough for me to touch.  It
>>>> just makes me nervous when I think of the possibilities of
>>>> something happening and I do not know how to unattach the tie-down.
>>>> Elise and Becky
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Cindy Ray via nagdu
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 6:43 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Cc: Cindy Ray
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Tie-Downs for our Guides on Access Shuttles
>>>>
>>>> How close would you be sitting to her if she were tied down? I
>>>> think it is definitely your decision, but I?m not completely sure.
>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 2, 2015, at 8:36 PM, Elise Berkley via nagdu
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey, everyone.  I wanted to get your thoughts on this.
>>>>> Becky and I were going to school on the Access shuttle and the
>>>>> driver asked me if I wanted Becky tied down.  I did not know what
>>>>> he was talking about and I told him no.  Becky went up the ramp
>>>>> and sat quietly the whole trip (about 10 minutes.)
>>>>>
>>>>> I found out that, for the dog?s safety and so they cannot move
>>>>> around, they have these new gadgets.  You hook a shorter leash in
>>>>> a ring and then the other end gets snapped down where they tie
>>>>> down the wheelchairs.  I really do not like this idea of her being
>>>>> tied down at all.  She is behaved enough not to move around.  I
>>>>> What if we get in an accident, and I cannot get my dog loose.
>>>>> Maybe they are trying to do a good thing, and maybe I do not understand fully.
>>>>> Let Becky and I know what you think.
>>>>> Elise and Becky (San Diego bound)
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 12:06:35 -0400
From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
        Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nagdu] Impulse control
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Yesterday, I happened to have lunch seated near a buffet table.  When I got
up to leave, Krokus jumped up on the buffet and helped himself to a
sandwich.  I corrected him very sharply, but I suspect the turkey made a
bigger impression than my correction.  Clearly, we still have impulse
control issues.

He's very smart about knowing when he's being set up.  When we're practicing
impulse control, he's an angel, otherwise, not so much.  I'm not sure if
it's a question of duration-I can resist that sandwich for 20 minutes, but
not a minute longer-or that he knows to the millisecond when I'm not
expecting trouble and takes advantage.

And no, I didn't have the Gentle Leader on him, because, when I've left it
on while he's lying down, he very quietly wiggled it loose enough to eat it,
and then I had to worry about that passing through him.  Good thing he's
part goat.

I have a call in to the school, but so far their suggestions have not been
effective.  I guess I'll ask them about the basket muzzle, but I'd rather
get some way to convince him to be good.

Tracy





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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 11:39:20 -0500
From: "Lisa Belville" <missktlab1217 at frontier.com>
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Low cal food
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Hi, Dan.

Instead of changing parker's food completely to something he doesn't like,
you could keep him on the Proplan and eliminate a half of a cup or so and
try substituting it with fresh or frozen green beans.  I did this
successfully with my last dog as both a way to keep weight off and to
provide her with extra fiber.  I used either fresh green beans or frozen
ones with no sauce or other additives.  I'd just put a handful of frozen
green beans in Katy's food and she'd snarf it up with no issues.  It kept
off excess weight during the winter when we couldn't get out due to ice, but
it also helped harden her stool and keep her anal glands expressed.

I remember my vet putting my first dog, a huge Lab/Golden cross on that
Hills diet and he just wouldn't eat.  The vet kept saying he'd eat when he
was hungry, but we were walking several miles a day to/from college classes,
and Hunter not eating wasn't an option.  If I'd known about the green beans
then I would have saved both of us the hassle and expense of getting the
prescription stuff.  Plus, I think that in Hunter's case he was just very
muscular from working so much.  Surprisingly, some vets don't take into
account that we have working dogs pulling in harness, so they will gain
muscle which can make it appear as if the dog is over weight when it really
isn't.

Lisa

Lisa Belville
missktlab1217 at frontier.com
A bus station is where the bus stops. A train station is where the train
stops.  On my desk I have a work station...


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Weiner via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
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Cc: "Dan Weiner" <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 5:59 PM
Subject: [nagdu] Low cal food


> Hello to all.
> Well I hope things are going great for everyone on this beautiful
> Saturday.
> The vet has made her  exam of Parker and during the time I was out of
> commission for my ankle surgery Parker the Great gained some weight.
> He has been eating Purina Proplan lamb and rice.
> The vet recommended Hills Weight reduction prescription diet chicken
> flavor.
> Has anyone used this food and what results.
> I have transitioned Parker over four or five days to it and it seemed
> fine,
> but today, after a few days of eating it with gusto he barely wants to eat
> any of it. I'm considering starting to mix it again with the other food
> and
> trying to make a slower transition... Or who knows maybe there's something
> about it that makes him uncomfortable.
> So any experiences or observations would be welcome, or even any other
> ideas
> about low cal foods, I need to make sure the weight question doesn't get
> out
> of hand.
>
> Warmest regards,
>
> Dan the man, Parker the nut
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 11:11:38 -0600 (MDT)
From: Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca>
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Subject: [nagdu] Allergies re-re-re-re-re-visited
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Hi, everyone,
I woke up this morning to a dog (and cats) that is a COMPLETE itch bucket!  My poor girl can't seemt o stop scratching... and then I realized that I've broken out in hives. My coworkers are also suffereing severe allergy symptoms, so I know it's not unique to my home...

Pluses to this: Jenny's ears are looking great, and she has not barked at all... either the humidifier is taking off some of the dry edge to the air, or soothing her enough to let her sleep and just roll with stuff.

I have a couple of questions:
For those whose dogs respond well to OTC allergy medication, what works? Benadryl doesn't work for my dog. I've heard of Allegra, but I can only find HUGE 180mg pills, which seems extreme. Claritin looks insanely expensive, but I found an off-brand that gives me 365 10mg tablets...
I started putting coconut oil in Jenny's ears to deal with the remnants of an ear infection, but the day after I do this, her ears are really really hot. So either she responds to the coconut oil, or simply doesn't need it right now... thoughts?

Thanks a ton!

Daryl (with Jenny, who just wants to feel better!)

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2015 10:57:21 -0700
From: Debby Phillips <semisweetdebby at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Impulse control
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Oh Tracy, I know! But perhaps after wearing the basket muzzle
awhile, he'll catch on.  Cleo did.  She wore it.  Then I'd try
not having her wear it, and she'd screw up, so back on it would
go.  After awhile it got longer and longer between times when she
screwed up.  She literally would almost pull me off my feet
lunging under a table in a restaurant as we passed by if there
was food there.  I really think that there are dogs that just
can't resist grabbing stuff, no matter what you do.  So you have
to make the consequence something that they hate, really hate.
Cleo really hated the basket muzzle.  But like I said, she
eventually got over grabbing stuff so much.  Hang in there!
Debby and Nova



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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 12:27:53 -0700
From: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com>
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Impulse control
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Tracy,

They totally know when we're not expecting trouble and can act on the
flash to cause some. Loki has reminded me of that a few times lately,
now that we're doing some indoor public access and busier outdoor
venues. As long as I have some attention on him, he's getting downright
reliable about doing exactly what he's supposed to do without reminding.
So I relax and get to shopping or chatting, and notice I should have
been paying more attention to my pup. Needless to say, we're sticking to
relaxed venues where there's not a lot of trouble for him to get into
while he's learning what his best behavior is supposed to be and how to
stick to it. Grocery stores and restaurants remain in our future, though
he is doing well in outdoor eateries -- and getting better.

The Gentle Leader head collar can be adjusted so that it won't slip off
the dog's nose. For dogs with shorter, broader muzzles, that makes it
fairly tight. I can't remember about the Halti, which is what I used at
first with Mitzi. Her long, pointy nose made adjustment pretty simple.
It could be pretty loose and still stay on. It did not survive its
introduction to Zay of the short, broad muzzle. Chomp!

Otherwise, the basket muzzle may be what you need for awhile, with
praise and reward when he bypasses temptations he can't get to anyway. I
guess with the muzzle, you couldn't use treats, but a head scratch with
the praise or something? The real trick with that method is knowing
about temptations when your dog isn't pointing them out by giving in to
them. /lol/ I think that being kept from the reward of turkey sandwiches
will also help so you may be able to phase out the muzzle in time.

Good luck with your clever goat boy.

Tami

On 10/05/2015 09:06 AM, Tracy Carcione via nagdu wrote:
> Yesterday, I happened to have lunch seated near a buffet table.  When I got
> up to leave, Krokus jumped up on the buffet and helped himself to a
> sandwich.  I corrected him very sharply, but I suspect the turkey made a
> bigger impression than my correction.  Clearly, we still have impulse
> control issues.
>
> He's very smart about knowing when he's being set up.  When we're practicing
> impulse control, he's an angel, otherwise, not so much.  I'm not sure if
> it's a question of duration-I can resist that sandwich for 20 minutes, but
> not a minute longer-or that he knows to the millisecond when I'm not
> expecting trouble and takes advantage.
>
> And no, I didn't have the Gentle Leader on him, because, when I've left it
> on while he's lying down, he very quietly wiggled it loose enough to eat it,
> and then I had to worry about that passing through him.  Good thing he's
> part goat.
>
> I have a call in to the school, but so far their suggestions have not been
> effective.  I guess I'll ask them about the basket muzzle, but I'd rather
> get some way to convince him to be good.
>
> Tracy
>
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 16:28:42 -0400
From: Danielle Cyclorama <dsykora29 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Impulse control
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Tracy,
Your description of Krokus sounds startlingly similar to Thai. He behaves perfectly well when he knows he's being set up, then tries to eat anything that resembles food in real life. The only training scenario where he'll actually try to eat something is if I leave food somewhere while he's not looking and walk away. Of course, that's the most difficult situation to work with. For many food motivated dogs, getting the food and receiveing a correction. is preferable to no food at all. The Halti helps exponentially, but isn't completely effective if there's food inches away at nose level or right between his paws when he's laying down. I remove the Halti when Thai lays down for any extended period because I know it's not the most comfortable. That being said, I either put it back on before he stands up or hold the leash very close to the collar as he's standing up so he can't grab anything.
I wouldn't feel comfortable using a basket muzzle for my dog, since it would prevent the use of food rewards. If this isn't a concern for you, it might be a good option.

Danielle and Thai
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 5, 2015, at 3:27 PM, Tami Jarvis via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Tracy,
>
> They totally know when we're not expecting trouble and can act on the flash to cause some. Loki has reminded me of that a few times lately, now that we're doing some indoor public access and busier outdoor venues. As long as I have some attention on him, he's getting downright reliable about doing exactly what he's supposed to do without reminding. So I relax and get to shopping or chatting, and notice I should have been paying more attention to my pup. Needless to say, we're sticking to relaxed venues where there's not a lot of trouble for him to get into while he's learning what his best behavior is supposed to be and how to stick to it. Grocery stores and restaurants remain in our future, though he is doing well in outdoor eateries -- and getting better.
>
> The Gentle Leader head collar can be adjusted so that it won't slip off the dog's nose. For dogs with shorter, broader muzzles, that makes it fairly tight. I can't remember about the Halti, which is what I used at first with Mitzi. Her long, pointy nose made adjustment pretty simple. It could be pretty loose and still stay on. It did not survive its introduction to Zay of the short, broad muzzle. Chomp!
>
> Otherwise, the basket muzzle may be what you need for awhile, with praise and reward when he bypasses temptations he can't get to anyway. I guess with the muzzle, you couldn't use treats, but a head scratch with the praise or something? The real trick with that method is knowing about temptations when your dog isn't pointing them out by giving in to them. /lol/ I think that being kept from the reward of turkey sandwiches will also help so you may be able to phase out the muzzle in time.
>
> Good luck with your clever goat boy.
>
> Tami
>
>> On 10/05/2015 09:06 AM, Tracy Carcione via nagdu wrote:
>> Yesterday, I happened to have lunch seated near a buffet table.  When I got
>> up to leave, Krokus jumped up on the buffet and helped himself to a
>> sandwich.  I corrected him very sharply, but I suspect the turkey made a
>> bigger impression than my correction.  Clearly, we still have impulse
>> control issues.
>>
>> He's very smart about knowing when he's being set up.  When we're practicing
>> impulse control, he's an angel, otherwise, not so much.  I'm not sure if
>> it's a question of duration-I can resist that sandwich for 20 minutes, but
>> not a minute longer-or that he knows to the millisecond when I'm not
>> expecting trouble and takes advantage.
>>
>> And no, I didn't have the Gentle Leader on him, because, when I've left it
>> on while he's lying down, he very quietly wiggled it loose enough to eat it,
>> and then I had to worry about that passing through him.  Good thing he's
>> part goat.
>>
>> I have a call in to the school, but so far their suggestions have not been
>> effective.  I guess I'll ask them about the basket muzzle, but I'd rather
>> get some way to convince him to be good.
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>>
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 16:15:37 -0500
From: The Pawpower Pack <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
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Daryl,
You can do the off brand of clariton, that's what my dogs are taking, the 10 mg pills. I can give it as much as twice a day.
With the Alegra, you can give a 1/2 of the 180 mg tablet.
I recently traveled to Nashville and Soleil was a hot mess while we were there, itching, biting herself, it was so miserable! Thankfully she was fine again once we left but it was pretty yucky for her there!
I hope Jenny and you both start to feel better.


 Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
Pawpower4me at gmail.com
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> On Oct 5, 2015, at 12:11 PM, Daryl Marie via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi, everyone,
> I woke up this morning to a dog (and cats) that is a COMPLETE itch bucket!  My poor girl can't seemt o stop scratching... and then I realized that I've broken out in hives. My coworkers are also suffereing severe allergy symptoms, so I know it's not unique to my home...
>
> Pluses to this: Jenny's ears are looking great, and she has not barked at all... either the humidifier is taking off some of the dry edge to the air, or soothing her enough to let her sleep and just roll with stuff.
>
> I have a couple of questions:
> For those whose dogs respond well to OTC allergy medication, what works? Benadryl doesn't work for my dog. I've heard of Allegra, but I can only find HUGE 180mg pills, which seems extreme. Claritin looks insanely expensive, but I found an off-brand that gives me 365 10mg tablets...
> I started putting coconut oil in Jenny's ears to deal with the remnants of an ear infection, but the day after I do this, her ears are really really hot. So either she responds to the coconut oil, or simply doesn't need it right now... thoughts?
>
> Thanks a ton!
>
> Daryl (with Jenny, who just wants to feel better!)
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 18:07:06 -0400
From: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Low cal food
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Feeding amount should always be adjusted based on activity level,
rather than what the bag of food says. The amounts recommended on the
bag are guidelines--averages gathered from laboratory and trial dogs.
These amounts are not for all dogs that weigh a certain weight. A
65-lb dog who is not very active does not need to eat the same amount
as a highly active dog of equal weight. A dog whose activity level
changes from day to day should receive an amount of food that also
changes from day to day.
For instance, the Golden Guy's recommended amount of meat is about 22
oz. He eats anywhere from 1 to 3 lbs, depending on his activity level,
and how much he ate the day before. On days that his exercise is only
a few heavy play sessions with me, he gets about 22-24 oz. On days
that we're very active with free-runs, doggy play dates, and/or some
other outings, he eats 1.5-2 lbs. The day before and after a gorge, he
might only get an lb of food. And on fasting days, he gets roughly a
half lb of meat.
I usually feed him once a day, and Sometimes we're far more active
than I thought we would be, so at the end of the day, he'll get an
extra half lb of meat if he ate a lighter meal earlier.
Feeding this way keeps him at a good weight, and also ensures that he
has enough food for fuel during the day.
--
Raven
Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
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have or what you do.

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On 10/5/15, Lisa Belville via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi, Dan.
>
> Instead of changing parker's food completely to something he doesn't like,
> you could keep him on the Proplan and eliminate a half of a cup or so and
> try substituting it with fresh or frozen green beans.  I did this
> successfully with my last dog as both a way to keep weight off and to
> provide her with extra fiber.  I used either fresh green beans or frozen
> ones with no sauce or other additives.  I'd just put a handful of frozen
> green beans in Katy's food and she'd snarf it up with no issues.  It kept
> off excess weight during the winter when we couldn't get out due to ice, but
>
> it also helped harden her stool and keep her anal glands expressed.
>
> I remember my vet putting my first dog, a huge Lab/Golden cross on that
> Hills diet and he just wouldn't eat.  The vet kept saying he'd eat when he
> was hungry, but we were walking several miles a day to/from college classes,
>
> and Hunter not eating wasn't an option.  If I'd known about the green beans
>
> then I would have saved both of us the hassle and expense of getting the
> prescription stuff.  Plus, I think that in Hunter's case he was just very
> muscular from working so much.  Surprisingly, some vets don't take into
> account that we have working dogs pulling in harness, so they will gain
> muscle which can make it appear as if the dog is over weight when it really
>
> isn't.
>
> Lisa
>
> Lisa Belville
> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
> A bus station is where the bus stops. A train station is where the train
> stops.  On my desk I have a work station...
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Weiner via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: "Dan Weiner" <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
> Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 5:59 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] Low cal food
>
>
>> Hello to all.
>> Well I hope things are going great for everyone on this beautiful
>> Saturday.
>> The vet has made her  exam of Parker and during the time I was out of
>> commission for my ankle surgery Parker the Great gained some weight.
>> He has been eating Purina Proplan lamb and rice.
>> The vet recommended Hills Weight reduction prescription diet chicken
>> flavor.
>> Has anyone used this food and what results.
>> I have transitioned Parker over four or five days to it and it seemed
>> fine,
>> but today, after a few days of eating it with gusto he barely wants to
>> eat
>> any of it. I'm considering starting to mix it again with the other food
>> and
>> trying to make a slower transition... Or who knows maybe there's
>> something
>> about it that makes him uncomfortable.
>> So any experiences or observations would be welcome, or even any other
>> ideas
>> about low cal foods, I need to make sure the weight question doesn't get
>> out
>> of hand.
>>
>> Warmest regards,
>>
>> Dan the man, Parker the nut
>>
>>
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 18:17:11 -0400
From: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Impulse control
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You can adjust the Halti so that the dog cannot open his mouth at all.
It doesn't matter where the food is. The beauty of the Halti is that
if you are holding onto the leash, you can feel where their head is
moving, and redirect their focus, whether they're laying down,
standing, or in motion.

Adding a basket muzzle to your tool box might prove useful. Perhaps
use it in situations where food distraction is guaranteed, or at least
highly likely--restaurants, stores, etc. And you can use the gentle
leader in everyday working situations.
--
Raven
Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
www.1am-editing.com

You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
have or what you do.

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On 10/5/15, Danielle Cyclorama via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Tracy,
> Your description of Krokus sounds startlingly similar to Thai. He behaves
> perfectly well when he knows he's being set up, then tries to eat anything
> that resembles food in real life. The only training scenario where he'll
> actually try to eat something is if I leave food somewhere while he's not
> looking and walk away. Of course, that's the most difficult situation to
> work with. For many food motivated dogs, getting the food and receiveing a
> correction. is preferable to no food at all. The Halti helps exponentially,
> but isn't completely effective if there's food inches away at nose level or
> right between his paws when he's laying down. I remove the Halti when Thai
> lays down for any extended period because I know it's not the most
> comfortable. That being said, I either put it back on before he stands up or
> hold the leash very close to the collar as he's standing up so he can't grab
> anything.
> I wouldn't feel comfortable using a basket muzzle for my dog, since it would
> prevent the use of food rewards. If this isn't a concern for you, it might
> be a good option.
>
> Danielle and Thai
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 5, 2015, at 3:27 PM, Tami Jarvis via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Tracy,
>>
>> They totally know when we're not expecting trouble and can act on the
>> flash to cause some. Loki has reminded me of that a few times lately, now
>> that we're doing some indoor public access and busier outdoor venues. As
>> long as I have some attention on him, he's getting downright reliable
>> about doing exactly what he's supposed to do without reminding. So I relax
>> and get to shopping or chatting, and notice I should have been paying more
>> attention to my pup. Needless to say, we're sticking to relaxed venues
>> where there's not a lot of trouble for him to get into while he's learning
>> what his best behavior is supposed to be and how to stick to it. Grocery
>> stores and restaurants remain in our future, though he is doing well in
>> outdoor eateries -- and getting better.
>>
>> The Gentle Leader head collar can be adjusted so that it won't slip off
>> the dog's nose. For dogs with shorter, broader muzzles, that makes it
>> fairly tight. I can't remember about the Halti, which is what I used at
>> first with Mitzi. Her long, pointy nose made adjustment pretty simple. It
>> could be pretty loose and still stay on. It did not survive its
>> introduction to Zay of the short, broad muzzle. Chomp!
>>
>> Otherwise, the basket muzzle may be what you need for awhile, with praise
>> and reward when he bypasses temptations he can't get to anyway. I guess
>> with the muzzle, you couldn't use treats, but a head scratch with the
>> praise or something? The real trick with that method is knowing about
>> temptations when your dog isn't pointing them out by giving in to them.
>> /lol/ I think that being kept from the reward of turkey sandwiches will
>> also help so you may be able to phase out the muzzle in time.
>>
>> Good luck with your clever goat boy.
>>
>> Tami
>>
>>> On 10/05/2015 09:06 AM, Tracy Carcione via nagdu wrote:
>>> Yesterday, I happened to have lunch seated near a buffet table.  When I
>>> got
>>> up to leave, Krokus jumped up on the buffet and helped himself to a
>>> sandwich.  I corrected him very sharply, but I suspect the turkey made a
>>> bigger impression than my correction.  Clearly, we still have impulse
>>> control issues.
>>>
>>> He's very smart about knowing when he's being set up.  When we're
>>> practicing
>>> impulse control, he's an angel, otherwise, not so much.  I'm not sure if
>>> it's a question of duration-I can resist that sandwich for 20 minutes,
>>> but
>>> not a minute longer-or that he knows to the millisecond when I'm not
>>> expecting trouble and takes advantage.
>>>
>>> And no, I didn't have the Gentle Leader on him, because, when I've left
>>> it
>>> on while he's lying down, he very quietly wiggled it loose enough to eat
>>> it,
>>> and then I had to worry about that passing through him.  Good thing he's
>>> part goat.
>>>
>>> I have a call in to the school, but so far their suggestions have not
>>> been
>>> effective.  I guess I'll ask them about the basket muzzle, but I'd
>>> rather
>>> get some way to convince him to be good.
>>>
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>>
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