[nagdu] service animals and Uber or Lyft again

[Cindy Ray]

Mary Ann, yes, you are correct. When they are driving for Uber, they have turned their car into a public vehicle.
Cindy

> On Oct 15, 2015, at 5:30 AM, Marianne Denning via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Thanks everyone.  The main point I am hearing from people on the
> iPhone list is that the drivers are using their private cars.  My
> response is that once they use a private car for a public purpose then
> it is not a private car during that time.  Am I correct here?  I know
> this is all still getting through the courts but, is that the position
> of NAGDU?
> 
> On 10/14/15, Michael Forzano via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Michael has a good point about the GPS tracking the driver. If you
>> tell them in advance and they deny you access, it's your word against
>> theirs, whereas if they drive to your location that is clear proof
>> they denied you because of your dog.
>> Also, I've had two drivers deny me in a row, so it's definitely
>> possible, and you might not be saving yourself much time by telling
>> them in advance. Then, that's one more driver who thinks they can get
>> away with it, which could affect you or another blind person in the
>> future.
>> 
>> On 10/14/15, Michael Hingson via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Debby,
>>> 
>>> You do what you think you must. However, keep in mind that you might have
>>> one or two drivers in a row who refuse to take you and you still are
>>> short
>>> on time and left stranded.
>>> 
>>> Many of us have a significant amount of experience with this issue
>>> whether
>>> it be with Uber or from other circumstances. Not all of us wish to take
>>> such
>>> a hard line which is why we all love this free country. Sometimes
>>> fighting
>>> the good fight does help. You have to be the one who decides your
>>> actions.
>>> 
>>> I can only say that you and the rest of us as blind people are the true
>>> blindness experts. We will only be perceived as such if we promote our
>>> expertise consistently and all the time..
>>> 
>>> It is easy to have an excuse for our actions, but consider this. If you
>>> give
>>> advanced notice and a driver chooses not to come to pick you up then what
>>> about the next time that driver gets a request and the requester does not
>>> inform the driver about their guide dog? You already have empowered the
>>> driver because they simply refused you and there will not be consequences
>>> for their refusal. As I said in a previous email denying a request is
>>> easy.
>>> The driver will never be held accountable for their action, or lack of
>>> action, unless they are dumb enough to say they denied you because of
>>> their
>>> dog. Given that Uber is now putting information out to drivers informing
>>> them about their responsibility to accept passengers with guide dogs the
>>> smart drivers will never tell and we all lose.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best Regards,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Michael Hingson
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Debby Phillips
>>> via nagdu
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 4:08 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Debby Phillips <semisweetdebby at gmail.com>; oagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] service animals and Uber or Lyft again
>>> 
>>> I know you all are dead set against letting folks know.  And I understand
>>> that, but if you're short on time, you don't want to be left strandand.
>>> I
>>> just think people have to use common sense, figure out what is happening
>>> in
>>> their life at that moment, and do what we need to do.  If I have lots of
>>> time, if I am in a safe place where I don't mind waiting, then I don't
>>> tell.
>>> If I have an emergency and don't want to be left strandand, then I tell.
>>> Sorry, but that's the way it is.     Debby and Nova
>>> 
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