[NAGDU] to "I" was Leader and Leash Guiding

Wed Apr 20 19:45:23 UTC 2016

Nah Buddy, I’ve just turned into an iDevice lately. 🙃

On 4/20/16, 3:01 PM, "NAGDU on behalf of Buddy Brannan via NAGDU" <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org on behalf of nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:

>Betcha a cold cheeseburger that it's Jenine. Except from a diffrent email account that maybe didn't get finished setting up or some such in her mailer. 
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>Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>Phone: 814-860-3194 
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>Email: buddy at brannan.name
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>> On Apr 20, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Julie J. via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I,
>> 
>> Who are you?  I don't remember you introducing yourself to the list and you don't sign your messages.  Your below message has me wondering if you are a trainer for GDF?  Could you elaborate please?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Julie
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>> -----Original Message----- From: I via NAGDU
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 10:01 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: I
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Leader and Leash Guiding
>> 
>> Lisa,
>> 
>> First off, I’m so glad you have a good dog, regardless of where you got her.
>> 
>> Actually the position for leash guiding is closer to the dog’s shoulder than you would be for harness work. This is why we’ve discouraged the leash guiding across streets or in complex areas. You just don’t have the room to move with the dog for sudden movements.
>> 
>> On 4/20/16, 10:18 AM, "NAGDU on behalf of Lisa Belville via NAGDU" <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org on behalf of nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Yep, that's it, Danielle.
>>> 
>>> I got my first two dogs from the GDF starting in 1996 and leash guiding was
>>> always taught from day one.  The dog is in just about the same position when
>>> leash guiding as it is in harness, but you hold the short leash just above
>>> the loop made by the clip attached to the collar.
>>> 
>>> Unless I'm mistaken, GDF no longer recommends leash guiding in traffic or
>>> other really challenging areas because the information you get from the dog
>>> on leash is not as good as that coming through the harness.  Most body
>>> movements aren't as easy to feel and since the connection between you and
>>> the dog is looser, you have less reaction time.
>>> 
>>> My third dog is from GDA, and it was really hard adjusting to not having
>>> leash guiding because the GDA equipment and many of their techniques are so
>>> similar to the GDF's that I'd use GDF techniques instead.  At GDA we take
>>> the dogs with us to dinner right from the get go and it was confusing having
>>> a leash that felt so similar and not being able to use the dog to guide.
>>> 
>>> Lisa
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Lisa Belville
>>> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>>> 
>>> Never make the same mistake twice. There are so many new ones, try a
>>> different one each day.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Sykora via NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: "Danielle Sykora" <dsykora29 at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 8:43 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Leader and Leash Guiding
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> GDF dogs are pretty much taught to guide just as well on leash as they
>>>> do in harness. They aren't taught to heel at all, so they walk in a
>>>> guiding position from day one. Puppies are either allowed to walk with
>>>> a loose leash, or taught to moderate their pull so they put enough
>>>> tention on the leash to effectively guide without dragging the handler
>>>> or choking themselves. When the dogs are working in harness, you walk
>>>> in the traditional approximately in line with the back legs position.
>>>> When leash guiding, you stand closer up toward the shoulders.
>>>> 
>>>> I often use leash guiding when I take my dog out to relieve or to be
>>>> groomed. It can be helpful in narrow spaces because walking further
>>>> forward can sometimes make it easier for dogs to clear obstacles or
>>>> you can hold the leash and walk behind the dog. I also tend to use
>>>> leash guiding in other people's houses if I'm going to be there most
>>>> of the day and don't really want to keep his harness on the whole
>>>> time. Having your dog leash guide while wearing a flat collar is also
>>>> one way you can run with your dog, though if you plan to run a lot a
>>>> sports harness is probably the better option.
>>>> 
>>>> Danielle and Thai
>>>> 
>>>> On 4/20/16, Caitlyn Furness via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Lizzie,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Most schools don’t teach formal leash guiding.  I think GDF might be the
>>>>> only one who does.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Most schools don’t insist on a truely correct heel, either, so most dogs
>>>>> are
>>>>> really leash guiding to a point, since they are not in a true heel and
>>>>> are
>>>>> putting light tension on the leash.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hopefully some GDF grads can speak up about how this works, and when they
>>>>> use it..
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cait
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 19, 2016, at 10:06 PM, Lisie Foster via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello from me and my Golden boy!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have a question about Leader Dogs and other schools who don't teach
>>>>>> leash guiding (which I believe is every school except GDF).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I read recently that Leader used to train their dogs to do some minimal
>>>>>> leash guiding back in the late 70's or early 80's. I believe what I read
>>>>>> said that their dogs were always taught to maintain a forward position,
>>>>>> even on leash.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Does Leader still teach their dogs to heel that way? Is that true that
>>>>>> they used to do so? And, are there any schools that used to teach dogs
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> leash guide but no longer do? If so, why did they stop?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you! I'm really interested in this topic!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Lisie and Finn
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> lisiefoster at yahoo.com
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