[NAGDU] to "I" was Leader and Leash Guiding

Jenine Stanley jeninems at icloud.com
Wed Apr 20 20:37:33 UTC 2016


Get a Mac. Then you’ll have all kinds of help from afar. 

On 4/20/16, 4:34 PM, "NAGDU on behalf of Julie J. via NAGDU" <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org on behalf of nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:

>LOL  No problem!  It was just really weird.   I'm glad it's you and not some 
>random internet stalker.  Whew!
>
>I hope the new computer doesn't drive you round the bend.  I dread the next 
>upgrade...no teen ager here anymore to coach me through all the set up!
>
>Julie
>Courage to Dare: A Blind Woman's Quest to Train her Own Guide Dog is now 
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>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Jenine Stanley via NAGDU
>Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 2:02 PM
>To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>Cc: Jenine Stanley
>Subject: Re: [NAGDU] to "I" was Leader and Leash Guiding
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>Sorry Julie,
>
>I’m testing and setting up a new mail program, Outlook for Mac and it really 
>screwed up my info. Hopefully this will reintroduce me.
>
>Yes, I do work at GDF, as the Consumer Relations Coordinator.
>
>On 4/20/16, 2:56 PM, "NAGDU on behalf of Julie J. via NAGDU" 
><nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org on behalf of nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>>I,
>>
>>Who are you?  I don't remember you introducing yourself to the list and you
>>don't sign your messages.  Your below message has me wondering if you are a
>>trainer for GDF?  Could you elaborate please?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Julie
>>Courage to Dare: A Blind Woman's Quest to Train her Own Guide Dog is now
>>available! Get the book here:
>>http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00QXZSMOC
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: I via NAGDU
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 10:01 AM
>>To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>Cc: I
>>Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Leader and Leash Guiding
>>
>>Lisa,
>>
>>First off, I’m so glad you have a good dog, regardless of where you got 
>>her.
>>
>>Actually the position for leash guiding is closer to the dog’s shoulder 
>>than
>>you would be for harness work. This is why we’ve discouraged the leash
>>guiding across streets or in complex areas. You just don’t have the room to
>>move with the dog for sudden movements.
>>
>>On 4/20/16, 10:18 AM, "NAGDU on behalf of Lisa Belville via NAGDU"
>><nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org on behalf of nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>>Yep, that's it, Danielle.
>>>
>>>I got my first two dogs from the GDF starting in 1996 and leash guiding 
>>>was
>>>always taught from day one.  The dog is in just about the same position
>>>when
>>>leash guiding as it is in harness, but you hold the short leash just above
>>>the loop made by the clip attached to the collar.
>>>
>>>Unless I'm mistaken, GDF no longer recommends leash guiding in traffic or
>>>other really challenging areas because the information you get from the 
>>>dog
>>>on leash is not as good as that coming through the harness.  Most body
>>>movements aren't as easy to feel and since the connection between you and
>>>the dog is looser, you have less reaction time.
>>>
>>>My third dog is from GDA, and it was really hard adjusting to not having
>>>leash guiding because the GDA equipment and many of their techniques are 
>>>so
>>>similar to the GDF's that I'd use GDF techniques instead.  At GDA we take
>>>the dogs with us to dinner right from the get go and it was confusing
>>>having
>>>a leash that felt so similar and not being able to use the dog to guide.
>>>
>>>Lisa
>>>
>>>
>>>Lisa Belville
>>>missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>>>
>>>Never make the same mistake twice. There are so many new ones, try a
>>>different one each day.
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: "Danielle Sykora via NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>><nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>Cc: "Danielle Sykora" <dsykora29 at gmail.com>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 8:43 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Leader and Leash Guiding
>>>
>>>
>>>> GDF dogs are pretty much taught to guide just as well on leash as they
>>>> do in harness. They aren't taught to heel at all, so they walk in a
>>>> guiding position from day one. Puppies are either allowed to walk with
>>>> a loose leash, or taught to moderate their pull so they put enough
>>>> tention on the leash to effectively guide without dragging the handler
>>>> or choking themselves. When the dogs are working in harness, you walk
>>>> in the traditional approximately in line with the back legs position.
>>>> When leash guiding, you stand closer up toward the shoulders.
>>>>
>>>> I often use leash guiding when I take my dog out to relieve or to be
>>>> groomed. It can be helpful in narrow spaces because walking further
>>>> forward can sometimes make it easier for dogs to clear obstacles or
>>>> you can hold the leash and walk behind the dog. I also tend to use
>>>> leash guiding in other people's houses if I'm going to be there most
>>>> of the day and don't really want to keep his harness on the whole
>>>> time. Having your dog leash guide while wearing a flat collar is also
>>>> one way you can run with your dog, though if you plan to run a lot a
>>>> sports harness is probably the better option.
>>>>
>>>> Danielle and Thai
>>>>
>>>> On 4/20/16, Caitlyn Furness via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Lizzie,
>>>>>
>>>>> Most schools don’t teach formal leash guiding.  I think GDF might be 
>>>>> the
>>>>> only one who does.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most schools don’t insist on a truely correct heel, either, so most 
>>>>> dogs
>>>>> are
>>>>> really leash guiding to a point, since they are not in a true heel and
>>>>> are
>>>>> putting light tension on the leash.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hopefully some GDF grads can speak up about how this works, and when
>>>>> they
>>>>> use it..
>>>>>
>>>>> Cait
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 19, 2016, at 10:06 PM, Lisie Foster via NAGDU 
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello from me and my Golden boy!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a question about Leader Dogs and other schools who don't teach
>>>>>> leash guiding (which I believe is every school except GDF).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I read recently that Leader used to train their dogs to do some 
>>>>>> minimal
>>>>>> leash guiding back in the late 70's or early 80's. I believe what I
>>>>>> read
>>>>>> said that their dogs were always taught to maintain a forward 
>>>>>> position,
>>>>>> even on leash.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does Leader still teach their dogs to heel that way? Is that true that
>>>>>> they used to do so? And, are there any schools that used to teach dogs
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> leash guide but no longer do? If so, why did they stop?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you! I'm really interested in this topic!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lisie and Finn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> lisiefoster at yahoo.com
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