[NAGDU] Apartment Complex- Picking up poop

Thu Apr 21 19:30:15 UTC 2016

Hello all, I have not read through all of the post on this topic. However, I will shoot in here with my two cents worth. Having been a guy dog handler for almost 14 years, I can honestly say that I pick up from my dog almost all of the time. The exception of courses when we let him out in our backyard. I have been on the bad side of stepping in other people's dog poop, and let me tell you, cleaning the shoes is not a fun experience. Obviously, if my dog has serious diarrhea, picking that up is difficult at best if not impossible. However even in that situation I do try to make an effort. As for DNA testing of the dogs fecal matter to roll him or her out as the culprit, I would have to agree with others if this expense is paid for then why not. I've lived in apartments in the past and have never had a problem. However, as I mentioned above I tend to pick up after my dog so I've had no issues

Stacie Hardy

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> On Apr 21, 2016, at 1:06 PM, Raul A. Gallegos via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Dan. While I don't agree with you I do respect that you have a different opinion. Regarding picking up in public places and not finding the trashcan one thing that I would do is make sure to always carry pick up poop bags so that I can at least put it in there. If there is no trashcan that I can find I will put the bag on the edge of the sidewalk probably against the gutter so that the chances of it being stepped on are minimal. If there is a physical reason preventing you from safely picking up there are alternatives. For example I think Sandra wrote that she hires a pick up service to come clean her yard and that is an alternative way of getting around this. My opinion that everyone should pick up after their dog is from whether you are a dog owner who is sided, a dog owner who is blind, or a guide dog handler. I want to be treated the same as other people so I want to have the same standards. I don't want the bar lowered for me just because I am blind.
> 
> So if I live in an apartment complex that required this DNA testing for your dog so that they can at least rule out that it isn't your dog in case poop is not picked up, I guess I would submit to that provided that they are the ones paying for the test.
> 
> Luckily I do not live in an apartment in so I don't have to worry about this. If the dogs are relieved in the front yard we definitely pick up, but I confess that in the backyard we don't always. There is a dog run and the dogs go there. I have considered hiring a service to come do some general cleanup here and there. The nice thing is that when the dog goes in the backyard is always in one area so you don't have to worry about walking into a minefield when you stroll in the backyard for some fresh air. 
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>> On Apr 21, 2016, at 11:48 AM, Dan Weiner via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Well I have a sense of humor about it now because I'm writing to you guys
>> and I like joking, but no I wasn't happy and I wasn't happy when I've been
>> on the receiving end, and sometimes people can be extremely nasty, such as a
>> lady who accused me of leaving some and I said I had done the best I can and
>> she said "I saw you, you feel around for it, why didn't you feel around
>> harder" and she wasn't being funny, believe me she was being nasty.
>> So I do know what you mean, people can be pretty unforgiving and
>> mean-spirited
>> And it can get really bad if it were every day and all the time being
>> accused as has happened to friends of mine, So Lisa, I actually do
>> understand I'm just trying to be light-hearted and funny.
>> 
>> Now why don't I think we should be required to clean up, , Sindy, well first
>> of all you should see all the sighted folks who don't who can see when
>> people are looking at them.
>> I do it, clean up, because I have to, but when I can get away with it such
>> as on my own property I don't, it's harder to find, we do have to feel
>> around, we miss a lot and sometimes we're in places it's actually dangerous
>> to clean up such as  in areas with traffic and so on when we heal off a
>> curb. I think most people would actually be sympathetic but the NFB, ACB and
>> other people have done a good job at convincing everyone that we should do
>> it and grousing every time there's an ordinance exception made for blind
>> people.
>> As I get older I find that I am not as sure-footed as I used to be and I've
>> lost my balance sometimes having to clean up and so on...and before you ask,
>> at convention I'll do my best so don't send the park area police after
>> me--lol  only half a joke,  you, meaningNaGDU,.  seem to have the partials
>> checking and once I was yelled at by someone when actually I had cleaned up
>> 
>> Oh and what about the fact that finding a trash can in public is a royal
>> paine... And so on I could go on, but I do actually now have something to
>> do, see you guys soon and be good while I'm gone--smile, they sigh in
>> relief...now he's going to shut up, finally--smile
>> 
>> 
>> All right, now believe it or not guys, I'm actually a very nice guy and
>> enjoy talking to people and will get along but we all have our opinions and
>> you can't expect people to agree one hundred percent on everything.
>> 
>> For example, m I upset when people don't agree with me?--smile I like
>> differing opinions it's what makes the world a great place.
>> 
>> And I bet there are people on this list who agree with me but 1. have too
>> much stuff to do and don't really care, and I have nothing special to do
>> today so I'm paying attention to the list--smile  or 2. they don't want to
>> be called out for having an unpopular opinion.
>> 
>> Yours most sincerely,
>> Dan and his four-legged friend, Parker
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lisa Belville via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 12:26 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Lisa Belville
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Apartment Complex- Picking up poop
>> 
>> Well yeah, and it's fine to have a sense of humor about this stuff.  But if
>> you're constantly being on the receiving end it seems more like harassment
>> then joking.  And maybe this is just me, but I don't like being accused of
>> something I'm not doing.
>> 
>> 
>> Lisa Belville
>> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>> 
>> Never make the same mistake twice. There are so many new ones, try a
>> different one each day.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dan Weiner via NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: "Dan Weiner" <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 11:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Apartment Complex- Picking up poop
>> 
>> 
>>> And I remember my apartment complex in Maryland and the manager asking 
>>> me about it when it turned out that it wasn't my dog, they even showed 
>>> me the spot and I said I never took my dog there, but because some 
>>> guys on the first floor with a window out there had seen me earlier in 
>>> the general area and then they found dog defecation they just had to 
>>> assume it's me...Oh well, keeps everyone busy--smile.
>>> Now I didn't say busy busy, or get busy".
>>> I should watch my syntax, I said "they assumed it was me" whereas 
>>> really I meant they assumed it was my dog--lol  I have not, even in 
>>> the most drunken state under the influence of MD2020 (anyone remember 
>>> that stuff?)  ...have not ever goene to the bathroom on a lawnin front 
>>> of a ground fllor apartment--smile
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lisa 
>>> Belville via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 12:12 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Lisa Belville
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Apartment Complex- Picking up poop
>>> 
>>> As far as picking up, I do whether I'm expected to or not.  I use the 
>>> same spot most of the time, so picking up is just common sense.
>>> 
>>> Sadly, some complexes have a nasty habit of blaming the blind person 
>>> when the reality is, they have no clue who's dog is doing the crapping.
>>> 
>>> I get that we miss an occasional piece, but I've been in situations 
>>> where the complex management automatically assumed it was the blind 
>>> folks with the dogs rather than the countless other fully sighted 
>>> residents who never lifted a finger to remove droppings.  This was a 
>>> main stream complex that just happened to have a few blind folks with 
>>> guide dogs.  There were also tons of yappy, puntable objects making 
>>> messes.  If the management had just bothered to examine the evidence, 
>>> they'd see that no way could dogs weighing in excess of 60 pounds make 
>>> these teeny tiny messes, but you know, we're blind, so we couldn't 
>>> possibly get how unsightly a pile of busy number 2 is.
>>> 
>>> <sigh>  I'm not a huge Big brother person, but having DNA would at 
>>> least prove, maybe with 99% accuracy, that my dog didn't leave the 
>>> droppings and the real offenders would be penalized.
>>> 
>>> I'm just waiting for the Morey Povich show spin off where they read 
>>> out dog doo DNA results.  It would be way more interesting than the 
>>> paternity stuff he's been doing for the last few years.  LOL
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ,
>>> Lisa Belville
>>> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>>> 
>>> Never make the same mistake twice. There are so many new ones, try a 
>>> different one each day.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Deanna Lewis via NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: "Deanna Lewis" <DLewis at clovernook.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 10:46 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Apartment Complex- Picking up poop
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Wow, now I've heard it all! LOL
>>>> Sounds like the complex wants to test all the dogs fecal matter so 
>>>> that if they find a pile on the property, they can analyze it and 
>>>> know who's dog left it?
>>>> I think that's a bit over the top, and I probably would fight it if I 
>>>> lived at that complex.
>>>> Deanna
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marianne 
>>>> Denning via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 11:28 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Cc: Marianne Denning
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Apartment Complex- Picking up poop
>>>> 
>>>> I wonder if it is to test for worms.  I could see that if there are a 
>>>> lot of dogs in the complex.
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> That seems like a weird requirement. Do they pay for the test? I 
>>>>> feel that the dog is a dog, and if there is some explanation for it 
>>>>> that makes sense, it should be an be done. Not sure if they can enforce
>> it.
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jessica N.
>>>>> Naert
>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 10:09 AM
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Cc: Jessica N. Naert <jessica.n.naert at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Apartment Complex- Picking up poop
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello there!
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am involved in a guide dog handlers group and someone asked if an 
>>>>> apartment complex can require their guide dog to submit to a fecal 
>>>>> DNA test if they are requesting all animals in the complex to do so 
>>>>> upon move in.
>>>>> The
>>>>> conversation developed and one participant stated that guide dog 
>>>>> handlers weren't required to pick up poop. I emailed NAGDU and got 
>>>>> the response that some communities have ordinances that don't 
>>>>> require guide dog handlers to pick up the poop but since we as blind 
>>>>> individuals are trying to get our society to treat us as equal and 
>>>>> full participants, we should pick up our dogs poop. I totally agree.
>>>>> What do you all think about the Fecal DNA test?
>>>>> I left a voicemail for the hotline but just was curious what you all 
>>>>> thought.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Jessica N. Naert
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