[NAGDU] Guide Dog Harnesses of the Past was Re: Pilot DogsHarness Question

Fri Apr 22 22:56:47 UTC 2016

				I'd love that! I also would love to feel how
a guide dog from long ago guided compared to one today.

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Caitlyn:

Wouldn't it be interesting to have an exhibit of all kinds of old guide dog
equipment that we could feel and explore?

Sandra

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Lizzie,

The older harnesses had a rigid handle, but it wasnb?Tt metal, like today. 
the older handles were made of stiff leather, and the dogs back then pulled
like mac trucks.

My own guide dog use only goes back 30 years, so I bet there are others here
who can add to thisb?&  and the rigid leather handles are way before my own
time with guide dogs..

Caitlyn

> On Apr 22, 2016, at 1:03 PM, Lisie Foster via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
> Thank you all so much for answering my questions, including the one 
> about the harnesses used by Pilot Dogs.
>
> I think the difference I've been noticing is the way the "ears" on 
> Pilot harnesses are kept closer to the harness body when compared to 
> many other schools, the chest strap that is plain, without reflectors, 
> as well as the white handle. Those make it look very distinct, to me, 
> at least! I think it's a very nice looking harness, too.
>
> I had a second question along similar lines which is not specific to 
> any guide dog school. I'm wondering, for anyone who's worked with 
> guide dogs for many years, or for anyone who might know about it, how 
> have guide dog harnesses changed over the years?
>
> I've read before that the original Seeing Eye harnesses were quite heavy. 
> But, other than that, I don't know much about anything other than 
> modern harnesses. I know about some recent changes, like the change to 
> Swiss harnesses by GDB, and the inclusion of ergonomic and offset 
> handle options at some schools.
>
> What I'd love to know is whether modern harnesses are much different 
> from the harnesses issued 20, 30, or even 40 years or more ago, and 
> how they're different.
>
> I don't know why, but I think this topic is interesting! I hope no one 
> minds my questions about this. Thank you!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Lisie and Finn ( the sleepy Golden boy )
>
> lisiefoster at yahoo.com
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 20, 2016, at 12:17 PM, S L Johnson via NAGDU 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Lisie:
>>
>> I will try to give you a good description.  Our Pilot Dog harnesses 
>> are made out of tan leather.  The handle is covered in white vinyl on 
>> the sides and tan leather at the top and partly down each side.  The 
>> handle does not have clips or snaps to attach it to the D-rings on 
>> the harness body.  The metal is wrapped around the ring and tightened 
>> by using pliers.  The ears are smaller than most and attached with 
>> another rib it at the top so they stay flat against the back strap.  
>> They do not flop to the side like some schools with big floppy ears.  
>> For example.  My previous guide was from GDF and I hated their huge 
>> ears because the handle would flop off to the right side of the dogs 
>> body and it allowed too much movement so it was harder to feel the 
>> dog's movements, especially with a dog who had a very light to almost 
>> no pull at all.  Pilot Dogs handles are straight.  They do not use 
>> any of the other weird curved and other strange looking handles I 
>> have seen.  I know some schools have been trying out some ergonomic 
>> handles and for years GDF used the off set handles which I also hated 
>> so much that my trainer finally gave me a straight one with Tara.  
>> The Pilot handles are a bit shorter than some schools use.  For 
>> example, I am 5 feet 3 inches tall and my little golden is about 22 
>> inches tall.  My Pilot handle is 15 inches long.  When the trainer 
>> gave it to me I thought it would be too short.  However, I quickly 
>> found that  I liked it because it lets you really feel what the dog 
>> is doing, especially with a dog like Eva who is very gentle with an 
>> extremely light pull.  The harness has a quick snap on the side so 
>> you don't have to fool with the buckle when putting the harness on 
>> and off.  I think a lot of the schools harness bodies have this type 
>> of clip.  The Pilot harness does have two snaps across the chest 
>> strap where you can snap in a strip of flat round prongs that 
>> discourage a dog that is pulling too hard.  For dogs like Eva who do 
>> not pull, our harness has just a plain leather strip that snaps into 
>> that place.  There is no reflective material on the Pilot harness 
>> body or handle.  I have heard of some graduates who have applied 
>> reflective tape over the vinyl sides of the handle.  The Pilot Dog 
>> leashes are also different from any others I have seen.  They are 
>> almost a foot longer with a snap and adjustable buckle that are used 
>> to form a muzzle if it is ever necessary.  I don't like the leash so 
>> I ordered a guide dog style leash from a pet supply company that 
>> sells service dog equipment.  I hope this gives you an idea of what 
>> the Pilot Dog harness looks like.  It is interesting to compare the 
>> equipment that the schools use.  I am also sure there are many 
>> opinions of what trainers and graduates like and dislike when it 
>> comes to the harnesses and handles.
>>
>> Sandra and Eva
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lisie Foster via NAGDU
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 10:18 PM
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>> Cc: Lisie Foster
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Pilot Dogs Harness Question
>>
>> Hello, again! OK this is my last post for today, *smiles*!
>>
>> If anyone on the list has or has had a dog from Pilot Dogs, I was 
>> wondering if you'd be willing to describe what their harnesses look 
>> like and what makes them different from other schools' harnesses?
>>
>> I know that they are made to accommodate a clip-on chest piece, that 
>> they have a white handle with a leather grip, but other than that, I 
>> can't quite figure out why they seem so different.
>>
>> Are the stabilizing bunny ears attached differently? They seem 
>> different, somehow, perhaps closer to the body of the harness. Also, 
>> is there any reflective material on their harnesses at all?
>>
>> Despite Pilot harnesses being the ones I've seen most often, since we 
>> live not too far from the school, I've never been able to figure out 
>> what it is that makes them so distinct from the other schools' 
>> harnesses (like TSE, GDF, etc.).
>>
>> Also, I love Pilot's leashes. I really wish I knew someone who sold 
>> them to the public, because I'd buy one in a second! I like the fact 
>> that they're adjustable and are quite a bit longer than most guide 
>> dog leashes. The leash I'm currently using is a typical guide dog 
>> style leash, but is *much* longer, being seven feet long from one end 
>> of the leather to the other. I believe Pilot's leashes are about six 
>> feet long.
>>
>> If there are any Pilot graduates who might be willing to answer, I'd 
>> appreciate it so much. I love the look of Pilot's harnesses, yet 
>> can't exactly figure out what makes them so distinct.
>>
>> You can email me off-list, too, at lisiefoster @ yahoo.com. Thank you 
>> all, again!
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Lisie and Finn, the Buckeyes
>>
>> Lisie and Finn
>> lisiefoster at yahoo.com
>> Sent from my iPhone
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