[NAGDU] Cracks and training

Fri Apr 29 12:08:33 UTC 2016

I've heard it takes 1-one and a half years to gel since I got my first guide
in 1980.  These days, for me, it seems to take 2 years.  Don't know why.
No one ever said that my dog was trained for a totally blind person.
Interesting that some trainers at least think about it.
Tracy

-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lisa Belville via
NAGDU
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 12:49 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: Lisa Belville
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Cracks and training

Well, I didn't go to Leader, but that's what I was told when I got my first
dog in 1996.  I went to the same school for my second dog and no one
indicated any specific type of training.  Same for Paige's school when I
attended last year.

I also remember being told in that first class that it took about six to 12
months for a team to really gel.  Now it's like a year or two, at least that
was the general advice they gave to grads last I checked.  That was the GDF,
though, so people's mileage will vary.

And really, I'm sure that no school is going to say they don't train their 
dogs as well now as they did back in the day.    LOL

Lisa

Lisa Belville
missktlab1217 at frontier.com

Never make the same mistake twice. There are so many new ones, try a
different one each day.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne And Harley via NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Cc: "Wayne And Harley" <k9dad at k9di.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Cracks and training

>
>
> Hi Tracey, that must be a recent change. When I got LD Sequoia in 
> 2000, the trainer made a specific point to inform me that all Leager 
> Dogs were trained as if their future Owner was a total and for me not 
> to screw that up cos Mt vi SD ion coukd change between one heartbeat and
the next...
>
>
> Yours, Very Sincerely And Respectfully,
>
> Wayne M. Scace
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Date: 4/27/2016  08:54  (GMT-06:00)
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Cracks and training
>
> Hi Dan.
> I too have a feeling that training isn't as rigorous as it used to be, 
> but I'm not sure behavior around cracked sidewalks is an example.
> I got my first dog in 1980. We didn't have any trouble with cracked 
> sidewalks, not that I remember, anyway. But we trained in downtown San 
> Rafael, which has much nicer sidewalks than Morristown. And I lived in St.
> Paul, which has much nicer sidewalks than my neighborhood in New Jersey.
> And I was young and flexible, too.
>
> I have a theory that dogs used to be trained as if their people would 
> be totally blind, and now they're trained as if their people will have 
> at least a little usable vision. But I don't have any one thing I can 
> point to to prove it.
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Weiner 
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 8:46 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Dan Weiner
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Taking really long walks
>
> That's an interesting question, Tracey...I have noticed last few times 
> around at guide dog school that the dogs were not careful about 
> stopping for changes of surface or cracks at all, all right, every 
> little crack, that's a judgment ccall maybe but changes in surface 
> could be a problem or little steps or raised or falling areas. I've 
> worked wit my pups when I get home an dwe have a happy medium but I 
> have wondered about that, I don't think my memory was failing me, I 
> thin that 22 years ago when I got my first dog the dogs were made to 
> be more careful.
> What do you think?
>
> Dan the man with Parker the nut
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy 
> Carcione via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 8:24 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Tracy Carcione
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Taking really long walks
>
> I got scraped up, but nothing broken, and now he's more careful.
> My neighborhood has a lot of cracked sidewalks because we have a lot 
> of large trees. Trees are good; cracked sidewalks not so much.
> My dogs have all had to learn how to operate here. If they stopped for 
> every crack, we'd never get anywhere, but, if they don't stop for the 
> worst ones, I trip. I suppose I could learn to goose-step, picking my 
> feet way up, but I would feel ridiculous. So my guys learn what will 
> trip me, and what probably won't.
> I was happy to find a whole section of sidewalk the town had repaired. 
> Wish
> they'd do more, but people around here are more interested in streets 
> than sidewalks.
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina 
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 4:46 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: d m gina
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Taking really long walks
>
> Original I am so sorry you fell.
> I hope you didn't brake anything.
> Maybe the next time you go to that area, your dog will slow down.
> Wishing you the best.
> message:
>> The fall is not OK, but there is no foolproof travel method. I missed 
>> a turn in a slanted and broken curb the other day and fell. I have 
>> fallen using my dog, too. It happens. What is not OK for me is if it 
>> happens because the dog is distracted by, say, other dogs.
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Star Gazer 
>> via NAGDU
>> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 2:02 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Star Gazer <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Taking really long walks
>
>> The fall would not be ok with me. I know, easy for me to say since I 
>> don't have any emotions invested in the two of you.
>> Is his pace comfortable for you?
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy 
>> Carcione via NAGDU
>> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 1:44 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Taking really long walks
>
>> The hiker says he works his dog 10-15 miles every day. I was thinking 
>> about that. His dog must have a good pace, or he's got a lot of free 
>> time. Maybe he counts it as work time, keeping in shape for hiking.
>
>> Krokus takes about 90 minutes to go 3 miles, though that includes 
>> many street crossings and a lot of cracked sidewalks. Even so, he's a 
>> bit more of a stroller than I'd prefer. On the other hand, I have 
>> tripped over a big crack and landed hard, which isn't any fun at all.
>
>> I think Krokus is just a guy who needs some time to react. He can 
>> dodge someone rushing out from a shop we're passing, but he'd prefer 
>> to have some time to plan his moves. Or maybe I'm making excuses for 
>> his
> ambling self.
>
>> Tracy
>
>
>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NAGDU mailing list
>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NAGDU:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/pickrellrebecca%40
>> g
>> mail.c
>> om
>
>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NAGDU mailing list
>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NAGDU:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/cindyray%40gmail.c
>> o
>> m
>
>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NAGDU mailing list
>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NAGDU:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/dmgina%40samobile.
>> n
>> et
>
> --
> --Dar
> skype: dmgina23
> FB: dmgina
> www.twitter.com/dmgina
> every saint has a past
> every sinner has a future
>
> _______________________________________________
> NAGDU mailing list
> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NAGDU:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.n
> et
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NAGDU mailing list
> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NAGDU:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/dcwein%40dcwein.cnc
> .net
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NAGDU mailing list
> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NAGDU:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.n
> et
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NAGDU mailing list
> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NAGDU:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/k9dad%40k9di.org
> _______________________________________________
> NAGDU mailing list
> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NAGDU:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/missktlab1217%40fro
> ntier.com
> 

_______________________________________________
NAGDU mailing list
NAGDU at nfbnet.org
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU:
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net