[NAGDU] leader dog for the blind denile

Thu Aug 18 01:15:08 UTC 2016

John:

I agree with Steve.  Last year you had problems with Pilot and since then 
you have been denied by other schools.  Everyone says the problem is your 
O&M skills so, that is what you should be doing now, not applying to get a 
dog.  If you do not know how to get somewhere and where you are then you 
cannot correctly work a guide dog.  I have never attended any of the NFB 
Training Centers but I have heard from other people that they are excellent. 
Once you leave them you should be a confident cane traveler wih all the 
skills you will need.  I urge you to give it some serious consideration.  I 
am sure your local NFB officers can put you in touch with the right people 
to help you apply to one of the training centers.  Good luck in the future 
and I do hope that someday you get the skills you need to travel safely 
whether it be with a cane or a guide dog.

Sandra and Pilot Dog, Eva

-----Original Message----- 
From: Steven Johnson via NAGDU
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 6:42 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Cc: Steven Johnson
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] leader dog for the blind denile

John, if Leader Dog denied you, the chances that another program will do the 
same until these issues are addressed.  Leader has been known to give 
applicants a *chance* that other programs might not, so the best thing you 
can do is heed their advice.  The Leader Dog AMP program is good, but what 
might be best is to get a thorough O&M training, and then move forward from 
there.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha Dudley via 
NAGDU
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 2:11 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: Aleeha Dudley
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] leader dog for the blind denile

John,
If the school says that you need to work on your orientation and mobility 
skills, take that to heart. Perhaps attending a training center might be of 
interest to you? Keeping a fairly consistent speed is important when working 
a dog so as not to cause doubt in the dogâ?Ts mind as to your direction and 
intentions. Getting an instructor visit from the Seeing Eye might help you a 
lot in terms of knowing what you need to work on if they do not accept you. 
It is hard for someone to determine simply from your video exactly the 
skills you possess.
I am working with my second Seeing Eye dog now, and I believe that they do a 
great job assessing their clients before they even et to campus. It is 
important that you can navigate competently and safely around your 
environment, as well as those that may not be familiar to you. You need to 
be able to cross streets safely, even those that you do not know. You need t 
be able to get yourself out of a situation if you get lost or you donâ?Tt 
know for sure where you are.
I hope some of this information is helpful to you.
Aleeha and Whitley
> On Aug 17, 2016, at 11:13 AM, John Sanders via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> All they would say that my problem solving skills need to get better. and 
> I need to work on my street crossing skills.
>
> I only messed up one time during the video on a street crossing.
>
> I did pretty well on the others.
>
> The only other thing they said was that I need to work on my mobility 
> skills.
>
> And I can't get any additional mobility training because the blind agency 
> here in Michigan doesn't think I need it.
> They won't spend anymore money on it.
>
> I'm thinking about applying to GDF or the seeing eye.
>
> I've heard those are pretty good schools.
>
> I hope to hear from you soon.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> John Sanders
>
>
>
> On 8/17/2016 7:44 AM, Andy B. via NAGDU wrote:
>> Last I knew, the trainers were supposed to match you with a dog that fit 
>> your walking pace and lifestyle. Strange that they would refuse on 
>> walking speed. Might it be something else they might not be telling?
>>
>>> On Aug 17, 2016, at 7:37 AM, Nancy VanderBrink via NAGDU 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah I was also confused by that.
>>> The only time I'm slow is when I'm on the phone or shopping lol.
>>> Otherwise Doc and I are what my trainer called Medium Fast.
>>> Best wishes to you.
>>> Nancy & Doc
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Aug 17, 2016, at 5:40 AM, Lisie Foster via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry you weren't accepted at Leader Dogs,  but  wishing you luck 
>>>> with The Seeing Eye and GDF!
>>>>
>>>> I wonder what Guide Dogs of America meant by walking at a "normal 
>>>> speed"? My dog and I both have completely natural, and matching, fast 
>>>> walking paces. Whether I'm walking alone, with a cane, or with my dog, 
>>>> I just tend to walk quickly and always have. I hope that wouldn't be 
>>>> grounds for rejection sometime in the future.
>>>>
>>>> Lisie and her Speedy Mr Golden
>>>>
>>>> lisiefoster at yahoo.com
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 11:36 PM, John Sanders via NAGDU 
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I just thought that I would write to let you know that I didn't get 
>>>>> excepted in to Leader Dogs guide dog school.
>>>>> I'm looking at the seeing eye.
>>>>> I've heard from Guide dogs of America. and they said that I need to 
>>>>> keep my walking at a normal walking speed.
>>>>> I was nervous and have a habit of walking quickly.
>>>>> The two schools I'm now looking at are the Seeing eye and Guide dog 
>>>>> foundation.
>>>>> I hope to hear from you soon.
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> John Sanders
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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