[NAGDU] {Spam?} Re: Airlines/preboarding
d m gina
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Wed Dec 7 02:22:04 UTC 2016
I left the harness on when I came home from school.
Worked well.
Original message:
> Just thought I would jump in briefly here. TSE, at least during the two
> classes that I was there, actually encouraged non-bulkhead seating. My
> first instructor was able to get on the plane with me and show me how
> to get to the seat, remove the harness, back the dog in, and put
> his/her hind end under the seat. I do not let my dogs go under head
> first, as they can get their noses into God only knows what down there.
>> On Dec 6, 2016, at 11:00 AM, Michael Hingson via NAGDU
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Dan,
>> You have now heard from several people on this issue. Here are my thoughts.
>> Most schools do little to train guide dogs concerning going under airplane
>> seats as they, at least tacitly, support dogs remaining in bulkhead rows for
>> the dogs' "comfort". We as users have trained our dogs to back into rows and
>> go under seats. The dog's confidence to do this is directly related to our
>> confidence that they can go under the seat in front. Once dogs go into a
>> non-bulkhead space and find that it is a place of comfort they are fine. It
>> comes down to whether we as team leaders can educate our guides that these
>> spaces are good.
>> There are some guide dogs that will never like the non-bulkhead space. Most
>> guides do get used to it and even find it quite comfortable. The process
>> begins with us. This is no different than any other dog training exercise.
>> As with anything, the younger the dog when you begin training the more
>> likely you will get the response you seek.
>> Take care.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Weiner via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 7:50 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Dan Weiner <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airlines/preboarding
>> Well then please tell me how you shove our dog under a seat anjd get them to
>> stay there, and don't say things like " "oh just apply what they taught you
>> at school". Not being sarcastic, geuninely curious, who knows I might try
>> it.
>> Dan the man
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Stacie Hardy via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 10:42 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Stacie Hardy
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airlines/preboarding
>> Hello All,
>> Hope our email finds everyone doing well and gearing up for the fast
>> approaching Christmas holidays. I echo Marion's thoughts regarding this
>> topic. My guide dog, Cash, AKA his majesty isn't exactly on the smaller end
>> of the spectrum. He's a healthy 85 lbs and 26 inches at the shoulders.
>> Fortunately, Cash is a nester, and likes to be in closed in spaces. I'm
>> always amazed at how he can make himself fit. Raul and I do quite a bit of
>> traveling and have a system in place that works for us.
>> Soon, we'll be adding another guide dog to the mix, and I'm sure, he or she
>> will fit in just fine. We've had numerous discussions with flight attendants
>> regarding our not wanting to sit in the bulkhead. One attendant even said he
>> was going to call the "supervisor." That of course never happened, I think
>> this guy was spouting out hot air.
>> --
>> Stacie Hardy
>> In every guide dog, there beats the heart of a puppy raiser.
>> Twitter: @PatriotsGirl7
>> On 12/6/2016 3:58 AM, NAGDU President via NAGDU wrote:
>>> Jessica,
>>> I, too, am part of a two-dog family. Actually we are currently a
>>> four-dog family, as we have my wife's retired guide dog and our
>>> daughter and granddaughter, along with their dog, are currently
>>> living with us while their home is being built. When Merry and I
>>> travel by airline, we preboard, as well. I believe this is respectful
>>> of other passengers, as getting our dogs situated, especially my
>>> little
>> boy, takes some time.
>>> I would like to address the bulkhead issue for everyone's
>>> consideration. I know we have gone through this before, but it
>>> deserves repeating. About a year ago, there was a story about a
>>> toddler sitting on its parents lap when the airplane encountered
>>> severe turbulence. The child was thrown from the parent's lap and was
>>> injured. Consider the fact that there is no restraint for a dog lying
>>> in the bulkhead as there would be if the dog were under the seat.
>>> Also, my little boy is about 42" long, 30" at the shoulders, and
>>> weighs in at 110 lbs. When he sits on the floor in front of me, I have
>>> no room for my 34" legs! Furthermore, if we were to encounter the type
>>> of turbulence experience by the aforementioned toddler, I would not
>>> want my 110-pound dog to become a missile in the cabin. I know we want
>>> our dogs to be comfortable; however, my dog and I are just as
>>> comfortable under the seat in front of me - even more comfortable than
>>> in the bulkhead - while being much safer for him and other passengers.
>> BTW, I find seat belts rather uncomfortable, as well, but I wear them
>> nonetheless!
>>> I realize the choice of seating is a personal preference; however, I
>>> will continue to urge those with service dogs to consider making the
>>> safer choice!
>>> Fraternally yours,
>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU) National
>>> Federation of the Blind
>>> (813) 626-2789
>>> President at NAGDU.ORG
>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
>>> expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind
>>> people and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is
>>> not what holds you back.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jessica
>>> Diaz PC via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Monday, December 5, 2016 10:47 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Cc: Jessica Diaz PC
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airlines/preboarding
>>> Hello,
>>> My husband and I also are a 2 dog family and we always preboard. For
>>> me it is just easier and my main concern is getting the bags and dog
>>> situated in a not crowded environment. Also, as a side note, I use the
>>> line with Delta as well for requesting the bulkhead. For me when I
>>> fly, I want the dog to have room. He is big and his comfort matters to
>>> me. Delta is our go to provider for travel seeing as we use there
>>> credit
>> card and always get tons of miles.
>>> They are awesome.
>>> Jessica Diaz And Saunders
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Wolf
>>> via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 6:05 PM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Airlines/preboarding
>>> Following up on Sandra's comment.
>>> We do preboard, particularly because we are a two dog family (guide
>>> and service). For the airline, it seems to fit their methods
>>> naturally to do pre boards. But I am very sensitive to this, and
>>> wouldn't care if it was preboard, or just a regular seat halfway down
>>> the
>> plane.
>>> I know that no matter where we are, or in what seat, I am going to
>>> have
>> have
>>> whole plane load of people behind me, possibly waiting for me. So. My
>> dog
>>> and my luggage are dialed in. I extend leash after turning right just
>>> inside the door to enter the center aisle, and tell Metukah "lead".
>>> She tows me down the aisle lightly, two feet ahead of me, and I
>>> follow. At our seat, we duck her in fast. Standing, sitting or
>>> laying, I don't care, for now. But she goes in and stays there out of
>>> the way. It might even be in the seats opposite mine. No prob
>>> because no
>> one's on the flight yet because
>>> we are preboarding. Next, I throw the bags right onto the seats or seat
>>> floor, and get out of the center aisle. Being first aboard, the
>>> overhead bins are almost always empty. Then, if you notice, actually
>>> plenty of room to stand in front of the aisle seat in our row, and
>>> just slip bags up into the overhead, like a "layover" basketball shot
>>> so to speak, even as people walk by in the center aisle onto the
>>> plane. I don't mean throw them - I find that I can duck my head up
>>> from under the bin at the aisle seat and clear the bin, so that I can
>>> just reach up and roll in the bag without getting out to block the
>>> aisle. Or, if this is a hassle for any of you, I also just get in the
>> aisle and do it, but be out of the aisle in 30 seconds.
>>> That would be if I'm loading my gear and my wife's too.
>>> So for me this isn't about disability, except that it is nice to have
>>> pre boarded; it's really only a normal courtesy to treat loading in
>>> like a mission, clear out fast and let people get boarded!
>>> Happy flying!
>>> Peter
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