[NAGDU] picking up after dog

S L Johnson SLJohnson25 at comcast.net
Fri Jan 8 19:46:04 UTC 2016 

Caitlyn:

Yes, at Pilot, the relief area is weird.  They have a waist high railing so 
the people don't fall off the curb into the relief area.  You put the dog 
under the railing and hold onto the leash which is six feet long.  They show 
you how to pick up before going home.  The dogs are not used to being 
touched while relieving.  Eva pulls to the end of her leash and moves away 
if I move toward her or bend to touch her.  I have gradually tried getting 
her used to relieving on a shorter leash without success.  If I try to touch 
her, she will not relieve herself and will come and stand at my side.  With 
my poor balance, spinal problems and  arthritis I cannot move around 
attempting to get close enough to her in order to pick up.  The other 
problem is that due to multiple sclerosis, I have a support cane in my other 
hand.  It is very hard to get close enough to the dog,lean down to touch 
her, mark the spot with my foot, bend down to pick up without loosing my 
balance, somehow try to get it all picked up, tie the bag and then, if I 
haven't fallen over by then, try to get back to my feet.  Needless to say, 
in my situation, picking up isn't easy.  I find other guide dog handlers 
extremely rude when they get mad at me for not physically being able to pick 
up.  We should all try to be more understanding about a person's individual 
situation and offer help instead of the hatred I've gotten when in groups of 
blind people.  If there were laws giving us exemption then nobody would give 
us trouble about not doing it.

Sandra

-----Original Message----- 
From: Caitlyn Furness via NAGDU
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 2:20 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: Caitlyn Furness
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog

Sandra,

We were encouraged to pick up after our dogs when I went to Seeing Eye for 
three dogs, from roughly 2004 through 2012.  when I got my first guide dog 
back in the dinosaur ages(read the â?T80â?Ts), from GDB, we were also 
encouraged to pick up, and those who didnâ?Tt know how were taught.

when I got Maggie in 2013 from Gallant hearts, the trainer offered to pick 
up, but I declined and told him Iâ?Td do it myself-since Iâ?Td be doing it 
at home myself all the time anyway.  heck, after 30 years of guide dog use, 
picking up is no big deal for me and I can do it in my sleep.

Mark said when he got Jordan at Pilot, they showed him where the releif spot 
was, told him how often to take her out, and that was basically it.  Also, 
apparently, the releif spot they use is somewhat weird and makes it pretty 
impossible for the people in class to pick up after the dog because of a 
railing or something.

Cait

> On Jan 8, 2016, at 12:23 PM, S L Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
> If this is so important, then it would also help if the trainers would
> concentrate on this during training.  I've been to class and some schools
> don't really spend much time on this.  The trainers are out there telling
> people what their dog is doing and picking up.  I know Pilot doesn't spend
> any time on relief and picking up.  What do other schools do?  Do any of
> them make their students pick up during class?
>
> Sandra
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Cindy Ray via NAGDU
> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 12:10 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Cindy Ray
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog
>
> I really don't understand why they don't have the raisers desensitize the
> dogs to being touched. Most of mine have done pretty well with being
> touched, but as I even have worked with my little cockerpoo, who is not, 
> of
> course, trained to do much, I find she doesn't really take kindly to it,
> though she is better than she once was.
> Cindy Lou Ray
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> NAGDU
> Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 10:56 AM
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> Cc: S L Johnson <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog
>
> Hi,
>
> It has been my experience that the dogs are not used to being touched 
> until
> we get them.  By then, it is too late, They have already formed their
> particular behaviors when relieving themselves and it is hard to get them
> used to something else.  It would help if the puppy raisers started them 
> out
> at a young age by walking toward them and being touched while relieving 
> and
> instructing the puppy to stay in one spot.  I've had many dogs in my forty
> years of guide dog use that move around while relieving which results in 
> you
> having to look for two or three piles.  This makes picking up much more
> difficult or impossible.
>
> Sandra
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deanna Lewis via NAGDU
> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 10:14 AM
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> Cc: Deanna Lewis
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog
>
> Hi Caitlyn,
> I always assumed that the dogs got used to being touched while relieving
> when they were puppies. But, I recently found out that the puppy raisers 
> are
> discouraged from touching them while they relieve. I am not sure if that 
> was
> a recent change, or if it's always been that way. Personally, I think it
> would be good to get them accustomed to this when they are young, because 
> my
> boy didn't like it all when I first started it. But, he is a lot better 
> now
> with being touched.
> Deanna and Mambo
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Caitlyn Furness
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 9:47 AM
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> Cc: Caitlyn Furness
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog
>
> Oh, also, I use a short leash while releiving the dog.  this makes it easy
> to get your hand up near the collar quickly.
>
> I donb?Tt think they get the dogs used to being touched or approached
> whilest releiving at Pilot.  Mark had a time at first with Jordan, but now
> sheb?Ts fine with both being touched gentley on her back while she goes as
> well as Mark walking toward her afterwards.  Just takes time and patience.
>
> Itb?Ts not easy for any of us to pick up in the snow!!
>
> Cait
>
>> On Jan 7, 2016, at 2:31 PM, d m gina via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> How did you learn how to walk up to the dog. Even sliding feet.
>> Sure would save on bags when she uses lots of them during the day.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> Hi Dar.
>>> Ben used to move while relieving.  The solution was to hold the leash
>>> pretty close to his collar, so, even if he moved, he couldn't move
>>> far.  Pretty soon, he stopped moving.
>>> Good luck.  Picking up in snow is a pain.
>>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>> Cc: d m gina
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] picking up after dog
>>
>>> Folks when you are brainless as I are smile, I forget to take off the
>>> toileting harness.
>>> The other dogs this didn't matter, to her it does.
>>> She chewed up this one so bad I finally threw it away.
>>> When I try to follow leash down telling her to stay, she will move.
>>> If you have tricks of the trade or trade the trick that woud be kind.
>>> In the winter with snow I will keep her using the harness.
>>> Safer for me.
>>> She not only goes inside the bag but on the outside as well.
>>> Ugg not nice at all.
>>> Just wanted to know how you do it.
>>> Thanks,
>>
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