[NAGDU] {Spam?} Re: picking up after dog

d m gina dmgina at samobile.net
Fri Jan 8 22:52:52 UTC 2016 

We never did go under the rail to learn how to pick up after the dogs.
I was asked by a trainer if I would pick up after my dog,
I smiled saying that it was easier to pray inside than outside with how 
short she is.
We both laughed.
Was glad she didn't wish to leave ayny surprises walking.

Original message:
> Actually, it makes it easy at Pilot when you do it. It is on the 
> concrete and they shovel and hose it down every day except for when 
> they want us to go under the rail! I have done a whole lot of pick up 
> and getting it out of the grass or from in the mud is a bit different!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Caitlyn 
> Furness via NAGDU
> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 4:48 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Caitlyn Furness
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog

> Hey, Sandra!!

> You don’t need to explain yourself to me!!(smile)

> thanks for explaining what the potty area at Pilot is like, because 
> from Mark’s description, I just couldn’t figure out what was so weird 
> and how it would making picking up hard, if not difficult for people!  
> Now it makes perfect sense!

> Cait and Mags

>> On Jan 8, 2016, at 2:46 PM, S L Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:

>> Caitlyn:

>> Yes, at Pilot, the relief area is weird.  They have a waist high
>> railing so the people don't fall off the curb into the relief area.
>> You put the dog under the railing and hold onto the leash which is six
>> feet long.  They show you how to pick up before going home.  The dogs
>> are not used to being touched while relieving.  Eva pulls to the end
>> of her leash and moves away if I move toward her or bend to touch her.
>> I have gradually tried getting her used to relieving on a shorter
>> leash without success.  If I try to touch her, she will not relieve
>> herself and will come and stand at my side.  With my poor balance,
>> spinal problems and  arthritis I cannot move around attempting to get
>> close enough to her in order to pick up.  The other problem is that
>> due to multiple sclerosis, I have a support cane in my other hand.  It
>> is very hard to get close enough to the dog,lean down to touch her,
>> mark the spot with my foot, bend down to pick up without loosing my
>> balance, somehow try to get it all picked up, tie the bag and then, if
>> I haven't fallen over by then, try to get back to my feet.  Needless
>> to say, in my situation, picking up isn't easy.  I find other guide
>> dog handlers extremely rude when they get mad at me for not physically
>> being able to pick up.  We should all try to be more understanding
>> about a person's individual situation and offer help instead of the
>> hatred I've gotten when in groups of blind people.  If there were laws 
>> giving us exemption then nobody would give us trouble about not doing it.

>> Sandra

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Caitlyn Furness via NAGDU
>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 2:20 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Caitlyn Furness
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog

>> Sandra,

>> We were encouraged to pick up after our dogs when I went to Seeing Eye
>> for three dogs, from roughly 2004 through 2012.  when I got my first
>> guide dog back in the dinosaur ages(read the â?T80â?Ts), from GDB, we
>> were also encouraged to pick up, and those who didnâ?Tt know how were taught.

>> when I got Maggie in 2013 from Gallant hearts, the trainer offered to
>> pick up, but I declined and told him Iâ?Td do it myself-since Iâ?Td be
>> doing it at home myself all the time anyway.  heck, after 30 years of
>> guide dog use, picking up is no big deal for me and I can do it in my sleep.

>> Mark said when he got Jordan at Pilot, they showed him where the
>> releif spot was, told him how often to take her out, and that was
>> basically it.  Also, apparently, the releif spot they use is somewhat
>> weird and makes it pretty impossible for the people in class to pick
>> up after the dog because of a railing or something.

>> Cait

>>> On Jan 8, 2016, at 12:23 PM, S L Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:

>>> If this is so important, then it would also help if the trainers
>>> would concentrate on this during training.  I've been to class and
>>> some schools don't really spend much time on this.  The trainers are
>>> out there telling people what their dog is doing and picking up.  I
>>> know Pilot doesn't spend any time on relief and picking up.  What do
>>> other schools do?  Do any of them make their students pick up during class?

>>> Sandra

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Cindy Ray via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 12:10 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Cc: Cindy Ray
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog

>>> I really don't understand why they don't have the raisers desensitize
>>> the dogs to being touched. Most of mine have done pretty well with
>>> being touched, but as I even have worked with my little cockerpoo,
>>> who is not, of course, trained to do much, I find she doesn't really
>>> take kindly to it, though she is better than she once was.
>>> Cindy Lou Ray


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of S L
>>> Johnson via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 10:56 AM
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>>> Cc: S L Johnson <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog

>>> Hi,

>>> It has been my experience that the dogs are not used to being touched
>>> until we get them.  By then, it is too late, They have already formed
>>> their particular behaviors when relieving themselves and it is hard
>>> to get them used to something else.  It would help if the puppy
>>> raisers started them out at a young age by walking toward them and
>>> being touched while relieving and instructing the puppy to stay in
>>> one spot.  I've had many dogs in my forty years of guide dog use that
>>> move around while relieving which results in you having to look for
>>> two or three piles.  This makes picking up much more difficult or
>>> impossible.

>>> Sandra

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Deanna Lewis via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 10:14 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Deanna Lewis
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog

>>> Hi Caitlyn,
>>> I always assumed that the dogs got used to being touched while
>>> relieving when they were puppies. But, I recently found out that the
>>> puppy raisers are discouraged from touching them while they relieve.
>>> I am not sure if that was a recent change, or if it's always been
>>> that way. Personally, I think it would be good to get them accustomed
>>> to this when they are young, because my boy didn't like it all when I
>>> first started it. But, he is a lot better now with being touched.
>>> Deanna and Mambo

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Caitlyn
>>> Furness via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 9:47 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Caitlyn Furness
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog

>>> Oh, also, I use a short leash while releiving the dog.  this makes it
>>> easy to get your hand up near the collar quickly.

>>> I donb?Tt think they get the dogs used to being touched or approached
>>> whilest releiving at Pilot.  Mark had a time at first with Jordan,
>>> but now sheb?Ts fine with both being touched gentley on her back
>>> while she goes as well as Mark walking toward her afterwards.  Just 
>>> takes time and patience.

>>> Itb?Ts not easy for any of us to pick up in the snow!!

>>> Cait

>>>> On Jan 7, 2016, at 2:31 PM, d m gina via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:

>>>> How did you learn how to walk up to the dog. Even sliding feet.
>>>> Sure would save on bags when she uses lots of them during the day.

>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Hi Dar.
>>>>> Ben used to move while relieving.  The solution was to hold the
>>>>> leash pretty close to his collar, so, even if he moved, he couldn't
>>>>> move far.  Pretty soon, he stopped moving.
>>>>> Good luck.  Picking up in snow is a pain.
>>>>> Tracy


>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 1:57 PM
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>>>>> Cc: d m gina
>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] picking up after dog

>>>>> Folks when you are brainless as I are smile, I forget to take off
>>>>> the toileting harness.
>>>>> The other dogs this didn't matter, to her it does.
>>>>> She chewed up this one so bad I finally threw it away.
>>>>> When I try to follow leash down telling her to stay, she will move.
>>>>> If you have tricks of the trade or trade the trick that woud be kind.
>>>>> In the winter with snow I will keep her using the harness.
>>>>> Safer for me.
>>>>> She not only goes inside the bag but on the outside as well.
>>>>> Ugg not nice at all.
>>>>> Just wanted to know how you do it.
>>>>> Thanks,

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