[NAGDU] picking up after dog

Sat Jan 9 22:25:03 UTC 2016

Hello all,
very interesting discussion has been going on.
I am just wondering, where do you get relieving harness from please?
I've never seen something like that in Slovakia.
Thank you in advance.
With kind regards
Maria
On 9. 1. 2016 23:19, Caitlyn Furness via NAGDU wrote:
> Sandra,
>
> Just as an fyi, the releiving harness is like a belt.  You put the belt around the dog just in front of the hind legs.  A bag-usually a grocery plastic bag-attaches to the harness under the dog’s tummy and the tail is threaded through the second handle of the bag.  The second handle is then attached to a clip on top of the dog’s back, just in front of the tail.  the dog poops in the bag, then you can take the releiving harness off.  You can leave the guide dog harness on for this entire process.  The releif harness clips together with plastic back pack type clips.
>
> I used this set up the entire time I myself was in a chair and it was a great help.
>
> For what it’s worth, I have also taught most of my dogs that it’s ok to potty in harness, when they are given the magic command.  It’s just too darn cold up here in winter to fiddle with getting the harness off, releive the dog, put harness back on, etc.  So far, none of my dogs has tried to receive at the wrong time, unless they are sick.
>
> Just wanted to explain what the releiving harness is like for information’s sake.
>
> Cait
>
>> On Jan 9, 2016, at 3:42 PM, S L Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Becky:
>>
>> Thanks for your support.  Before the back injury in February 2002 that put
>> me in a wheelchair for a few years, I used to pick up too.  At this point, I
>> am lucky I am walking again  and just deal with the other limitations.
>> Unfortunately none of us expects to become physically unable to do things
>> but, it does happen.  At the Pilot Dog alumni weekends they arrange to have
>> help for anyone who is not able to pick up after their dogs.  I find this a
>> very compassionate way of dealing with the issue.  I thought of the
>> relieving harness but, I cannot bend over to take her guide dog harness off
>> and put the relieving one on and then repeat the process when she is done.
>> I taught Cinnamon, Tara and now Eva that it is permissible to relieve in
>> harness when I take them to the grass and give them the long leash.  This
>> has worked and I have never had a problem with the dog relieving herself
>> while working.
>>
>> Sandra and Eva
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Becky Frankeberger via NAGDU
>> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 2:25 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Cc: Becky Frankeberger
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog
>>
>> Sandra, My first class in 1993  at pilot we had a lady who could not pick up
>> either. She was in a terrible car accident where her husband was killed and
>> she had spinal fusion and other breaks. She gets this same mouth from blind
>> people. I told her about Julie's reweaving harness she makes or will be
>> making. Julie, do you mind giving us updates on the relieving harnesses. Dar
>> needs one also as she said hers was chewed up. So anyway, My size four shoes
>> stood strong against Ray and Jay from Pilot, that they would teach me to
>> pick up and I wasn't leaving until they taught me. Now I am having fits
>> trying to pick up with what is going on in my body, now twenty years later.
>> So my dog relieves at home and I haven't traveled on trips for a while on
>> business.
>>
>> Sandra don't pick up, warm hugs. Any of you who have severe problems like
>> CP, another Pilot grad, bless her, or other secondary disabilities, well you
>> all can help us pick up or please remember "we can all join others with
>> secondary disabilities. Things like falling wrong, falling down steps,
>> autoimmune , diseases well all kinds of things can make it impossible or
>> near impossible to pick up.  .
>>
>> Becky coming in late on the thread
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of S L Johnson via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 11:46 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: S L Johnson <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog
>>
>> Caitlyn:
>>
>> Yes, at Pilot, the relief area is weird.  They have a waist high railing so
>> the people don't fall off the curb into the relief area.  You put the dog
>> under the railing and hold onto the leash which is six feet long.  They show
>> you how to pick up before going home.  The dogs are not used to being
>> touched while relieving.  Eva pulls to the end of her leash and moves away
>> if I move toward her or bend to touch her.  I have gradually tried getting
>> her used to relieving on a shorter leash without success.  If I t used to relieving on a shorter leash without success.  If I try to touch
>> her, she will not relieve herself and will come and stand at my side.  With
>> my poor balance, spinal problems and  arthritis I cannot move around
>> attempting to get close enough to her in order to pick up.  The other
>> problem is that due to multiple sclerosis, I have a support cane in my other
>> hand.  It is very hard to get close enough to the dog,lean down to touch
>> her, mark the spot with my foot, bend down to pick up without loosing my
>> balance, somehow try to get it all picked up, tie the bag and then, if I
>> haven't fallen over by then, try to get back to my feet.  Needless to say,
>> in my situation, picking up isn't easy.  I find other guide dog handlers
>> extremely rude when they get mad at me for not physically being able to pick
>> up.  We should all try to be more understanding about a person's individual
>> situation and offer help instead of the hatred I've gotten when in groups of
>> blind people.  If there were laws giving us exemption then nobody would give
>> us trouble about not doing it.
>>
>> Sandra
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Caitlyn Furness via NAGDU
>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 2:20 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Caitlyn Furness
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog
>>
>> Sandra,
>>
>> We were encouraged to pick up after our dogs when I went to Seeing Eye for
>> three dogs, from roughly 2004 through 2012.  when I got my first guide dog
>> back in the dinosaur ages(read the b?T80b?Ts), from GDB, we were also
>> encouraged to pick up, and those who didnb?Tt know how were taught.
>>
>> when I got Maggie in 2013 from Gallant hearts, the trainer offered to pick
>> up, but I declined and told him Ib?Td do it myself-since Ib?Td be doing it
>> at home myself all the time anyway.  heck, after 30 years of guide dog use,
>> picking up is no big deal for me and I can do it in my sleep.
>>
>> Mark said when he got Jordan at Pilot, they showed him where the releif spot
>> was, told him how often to take her out, and that was basically it.  Also,
>> apparently, the releif spot they use is somewhat weird and makes it pretty
>> impossible for the people in class to pick up after the dog because of a
>> railing or something.
>>
>> Cait
>>
>>> On Jan 8, 2016, at 12:23 PM, S L Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> If this is so important, then it would also help if the trainers would
>>> concentrate on this during training.  I've been to class and some
>>> schools don't really spend much time on this.  The trainers are out
>>> there telling people what their dog is doing and picking up.  I know
>>> Pilot doesn't spend any time on relief and picking up.  What do other
>>> schools do?  Do any of them make their students pick up during class?
>>>
>>> Sandra
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Cindy Ray via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 12:10 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Cc: Cindy Ray
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog
>>>
>>> I really don't understand why they don't have the raisers desensitize
>>> the dogs to being touched. Most of mine have done pretty well with
>>> being touched, but as I even have worked with my little cockerpoo, who
>>> is not, of course, trained to do much, I find she doesn't really take
>>> kindly to it, though she is better than she once was.
>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of S L Johnson
>>> via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 10:56 AM
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>>> Cc: S L Johnson <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> It has been my experience that the dogs are not used to being touched
>>> until we get them.  By then, it is too late, They have already formed
>>> their particular behaviors when relieving themselves and it is hard to
>>> get them used to something else.  It would help if the puppy raisers
>>> started them out at a young age by walking toward them and being
>>> touched while relieving and instructing the puppy to stay in one spot.
>>> I've had many dogs in my forty years of guide dog use that move around
>>> while relieving which results in you having to look for two or three
>>> piles.  This makes picking up much more difficult or impossible.
>>>
>>> Sandra
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Deanna Lewis via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 10:14 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Deanna Lewis
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog
>>>
>>> Hi Caitlyn,
>>> I always assumed that the dogs got used to being touched while
>>> relieving when they were puppies. But, I recently found out that the
>>> puppy raisers are discouraged from touching them while they relieve. I
>>> am not sure if that was a recent change, or if it's always been that
>>> way. Personally, I think it would be good to get them accustomed to
>>> this when they are young, because my boy didn't like it all when I
>>> first started it. But, he is a lot better now with being touched.
>>> Deanna and Mambo
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Caitlyn
>>> Furness via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 9:47 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Caitlyn Furness
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog
>>>
>>> Oh, also, I use a short leash while releiving the dog.  this makes it
>>> easy to get your hand up near the collar quickly.
>>>
>>> I donb?Tt think they get the dogs used to being touched or approached
>>> whilest releiving at Pilot.  Mark had a time at first with Jordan, but
>>> now sheb?Ts fine with both being touched gentley on her back while she
>>> goes as well as Mark walking toward her afterwards.  Just takes time and
>> patience.
>>> Itb?Ts not easy for any of us to pick up in the snow!!
>>>
>>> Cait
>>>
>>>> On Jan 7, 2016, at 2:31 PM, d m gina via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> How did you learn how to walk up to the dog. Even sliding feet.
>>>> Sure would save on bags when she uses lots of them during the day.
>>>>
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Hi Dar.
>>>>> Ben used to move while relieving.  The solution was to hold the
>>>>> leash pretty close to his collar, so, even if he moved, he couldn't
>>>>> move far.  Pretty soon, he stopped moving.
>>>>> Good luck.  Picking up in snow is a pain.
>>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 1:57 PM
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Cc: d m gina
>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] picking up after dog
>>>>> Folks when you are brainless as I are smile, I forget to take off
>>>>> the toileting harness.
>>>>> The other dogs this didn't matter, to her it does.
>>>>> She chewed up this one so bad I finally threw it away.
>>>>> When I try to follow leash down telling her to stay, she will move.
>>>>> If you have tricks of the trade or trade the trick that woud be kind.
>>>>> In the winter with snow I will keep her using the harness.
>>>>> Safer for me.
>>>>> She not only goes inside the bag but on the outside as well.
>>>>> Ugg not nice at all.
>>>>> Just wanted to know how you do it.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> --
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