[NAGDU] picking up after dog
Caitlyn Furness
caitlyn.furness at gmail.com
Sat Jan 9 22:27:38 UTC 2016
Becky!!
How terrible!! What a story for keeping the harness on, though!!
Maggie sends stubby tail wags to Jakey poo!! lol
Cait
> On Jan 9, 2016, at 4:44 PM, Becky Frankeberger via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Sandra, I haven't taken off the harness in twenty years. What happened was I
> was relieving my first dog in the park. Someone came by when I was putting
> on the harness to leave and knocked me right on my knee. So with a bloody
> knee I walked the half block to my apartment building. Again it never mixed
> my dogs up as the instructor tells us. They relieve when I put them in the
> grass or by a tree, boy dogs, giggle. Trust me they know what to do.
>
> Becky and the flying fluffy fur ball, dats me, toothy grin, love Jake
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of S L Johnson via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 12:42 PM
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> Cc: S L Johnson <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog
>
> Hi Becky:
>
> Thanks for your support. Before the back injury in February 2002 that put
> me in a wheelchair for a few years, I used to pick up too. At this point, I
> am lucky I am walking again and just deal with the other limitations.
> Unfortunately none of us expects to become physically unable to do things
> but, it does happen. At the Pilot Dog alumni weekends they arrange to have
> help for anyone who is not able to pick up after their dogs. I find this a
> very compassionate way of dealing with the issue. I thought of the
> relieving harness but, I cannot bend over to take her guide dog harness off
> and put the relieving one on and then repeat the process when she is done.
> I taught Cinnamon, Tara and now Eva that it is permissible to relieve in
> harness when I take them to the grass and give them the long leash. This
> has worked and I have never had a problem with the dog relieving herself
> while working.
>
> Sandra and Eva
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Becky Frankeberger via NAGDU
> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 2:25 PM
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> Cc: Becky Frankeberger
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog
>
> Sandra, My first class in 1993 at pilot we had a lady who could not pick up
> either. She was in a terrible car accident where her husband was killed and
> she had spinal fusion and other breaks. She gets this same mouth from blind
> people. I told her about Julie's reweaving harness she makes or will be
> making. Julie, do you mind giving us updates on the relieving harnesses. Dar
> needs one also as she said hers was chewed up. So anyway, My size four shoes
> stood strong against Ray and Jay from Pilot, that they would teach me to
> pick up and I wasn't leaving until they taught me. Now I am having fits
> trying to pick up with what is going on in my body, now twenty years later.
> So my dog relieves at home and I haven't traveled on trips for a while on
> business.
>
> Sandra don't pick up, warm hugs. Any of you who have severe problems like
> CP, another Pilot grad, bless her, or other secondary disabilities, well you
> all can help us pick up or please remember "we can all join others with
> secondary disabilities. Things like falling wrong, falling down steps,
> autoimmune , diseases well all kinds of things can make it impossible or
> near impossible to pick up. .
>
> Becky coming in late on the thread
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog
>
> Caitlyn:
>
> Yes, at Pilot, the relief area is weird. They have a waist high railing so
> the people don't fall off the curb into the relief area. You put the dog
> under the railing and hold onto the leash which is six feet long. They show
> you how to pick up before going home. The dogs are not used to being
> touched while relieving. Eva pulls to the end of her leash and moves away
> if I move toward her or bend to touch her. I have gradually tried getting
> her used to relieving on a shorter leash without success. If I try to touch
> her, she will not relieve herself and will come and stand at my side. With
> my poor balance, spinal problems and arthritis I cannot move around
> attempting to get close enough to her in order to pick up. The other
> problem is that due to multiple sclerosis, I have a support cane in my other
> hand. It is very hard to get close enough to the dog,lean down to touch
> her, mark the spot with my foot, bend down to pick up without loosing my
> balance, somehow try to get it all picked up, tie the bag and then, if I
> haven't fallen over by then, try to get back to my feet. Needless to say,
> in my situation, picking up isn't easy. I find other guide dog handlers
> extremely rude when they get mad at me for not physically being able to pick
> up. We should all try to be more understanding about a person's individual
> situation and offer help instead of the hatred I've gotten when in groups of
> blind people. If there were laws giving us exemption then nobody would give
> us trouble about not doing it.
>
> Sandra
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Caitlyn Furness via NAGDU
> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 2:20 PM
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> Cc: Caitlyn Furness
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog
>
> Sandra,
>
> We were encouraged to pick up after our dogs when I went to Seeing Eye for
> three dogs, from roughly 2004 through 2012. when I got my first guide dog
> back in the dinosaur ages(read the b?T80b?Ts), from GDB, we were also
> encouraged to pick up, and those who didnb?Tt know how were taught.
>
> when I got Maggie in 2013 from Gallant hearts, the trainer offered to pick
> up, but I declined and told him Ib?Td do it myself-since Ib?Td be doing it
> at home myself all the time anyway. heck, after 30 years of guide dog use,
> picking up is no big deal for me and I can do it in my sleep.
>
> Mark said when he got Jordan at Pilot, they showed him where the releif spot
> was, told him how often to take her out, and that was basically it. Also,
> apparently, the releif spot they use is somewhat weird and makes it pretty
> impossible for the people in class to pick up after the dog because of a
> railing or something.
>
> Cait
>
>> On Jan 8, 2016, at 12:23 PM, S L Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> If this is so important, then it would also help if the trainers would
>> concentrate on this during training. I've been to class and some
>> schools don't really spend much time on this. The trainers are out
>> there telling people what their dog is doing and picking up. I know
>> Pilot doesn't spend any time on relief and picking up. What do other
>> schools do? Do any of them make their students pick up during class?
>>
>> Sandra
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cindy Ray via NAGDU
>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 12:10 PM
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>> Cc: Cindy Ray
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog
>>
>> I really don't understand why they don't have the raisers desensitize
>> the dogs to being touched. Most of mine have done pretty well with
>> being touched, but as I even have worked with my little cockerpoo, who
>> is not, of course, trained to do much, I find she doesn't really take
>> kindly to it, though she is better than she once was.
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> It has been my experience that the dogs are not used to being touched
>> until we get them. By then, it is too late, They have already formed
>> their particular behaviors when relieving themselves and it is hard to
>> get them used to something else. It would help if the puppy raisers
>> started them out at a young age by walking toward them and being
>> touched while relieving and instructing the puppy to stay in one spot.
>> I've had many dogs in my forty years of guide dog use that move around
>> while relieving which results in you having to look for two or three
>> piles. This makes picking up much more difficult or impossible.
>>
>> Sandra
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Deanna Lewis via NAGDU
>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 10:14 AM
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>> Cc: Deanna Lewis
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog
>>
>> Hi Caitlyn,
>> I always assumed that the dogs got used to being touched while
>> relieving when they were puppies. But, I recently found out that the
>> puppy raisers are discouraged from touching them while they relieve. I
>> am not sure if that was a recent change, or if it's always been that
>> way. Personally, I think it would be good to get them accustomed to
>> this when they are young, because my boy didn't like it all when I
>> first started it. But, he is a lot better now with being touched.
>> Deanna and Mambo
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> Furness via NAGDU
>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 9:47 AM
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>> Cc: Caitlyn Furness
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog
>>
>> Oh, also, I use a short leash while releiving the dog. this makes it
>> easy to get your hand up near the collar quickly.
>>
>> I donb?Tt think they get the dogs used to being touched or approached
>> whilest releiving at Pilot. Mark had a time at first with Jordan, but
>> now sheb?Ts fine with both being touched gentley on her back while she
>> goes as well as Mark walking toward her afterwards. Just takes time
>> and
> patience.
>>
>> Itb?Ts not easy for any of us to pick up in the snow!!
>>
>> Cait
>>
>>> On Jan 7, 2016, at 2:31 PM, d m gina via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> How did you learn how to walk up to the dog. Even sliding feet.
>>> Sure would save on bags when she uses lots of them during the day.
>>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> Hi Dar.
>>>> Ben used to move while relieving. The solution was to hold the
>>>> leash pretty close to his collar, so, even if he moved, he couldn't
>>>> move far. Pretty soon, he stopped moving.
>>>> Good luck. Picking up in snow is a pain.
>>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>>> via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 1:57 PM
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>>>> Cc: d m gina
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] picking up after dog
>>>
>>>> Folks when you are brainless as I are smile, I forget to take off
>>>> the toileting harness.
>>>> The other dogs this didn't matter, to her it does.
>>>> She chewed up this one so bad I finally thr her it does.
>>>> She chewed up this one so bad I finally threw it away.
>>>> When I try to follow leash down telling her to stay, she will move.
>>>> If you have tricks of the trade or trade the trick that woud be kind.
>>>> In the winter with snow I will keep her using the harness.
>>>> Safer for me.
>>>> She not only goes inside the bag but on the outside as well.
>>>> Ugg not nice at all.
>>>> Just wanted to know how you do it.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>
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