[NAGDU] {Spam?} Re: picking up after dog
Caitlyn Furness
caitlyn.furness at gmail.com
Sun Jan 10 19:38:53 UTC 2016
Dar,
I know that in Austrailia, where the toiletting harness was first used, they put something in the bag to absorb pee for the girl dogs. I think it might be silicon cat litter. I’ve looked online and can’t find out what exactly they are using, but this might be a thought for you as well.
I have a toileting harness myself still, so when the snow gets bad around here, I might try the kitty litter and see if it works.
I’ll let you know.
Cait
> On Jan 10, 2016, at 12:42 PM, d m gina via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> Hi there,
> Write this on your calendar loll.
> I got smart, after I come in, taking the harness off, I put another bag on it rite away so when she wishes to go out I can put it on rite away.
> Then I know I took it off as well.
> That was the only way I could remember that I had it on.
> Crazy but that is ok, it works for me.
> Yes I know the problems on behalf of the female dog and bag, but I come in and wash hands.
> Now in the summer going to the other dumpster I hope they don't mind having doggy number one in it.
> I'm watching how much water I put on her food soe she doesn't have to go out all of the time.
> Or have an over active bladder.
> Just some thoughts.
>
> Original message:
>> Sandra, My first class in 1993 at pilot we had a lady who could not pick up
>> either. She was in a terrible car accident where her husband was killed and
>> she had spinal fusion and other breaks. She gets this same mouth from blind
>> people. I told her about Julie's reweaving harness she makes or will be
>> making. Julie, do you mind giving us updates on the relieving harnesses. Dar
>> needs one also as she said hers was chewed up. So anyway, My size four shoes
>> stood strong against Ray and Jay from Pilot, that they would teach me to
>> pick up and I wasn't leaving until they taught me. Now I am having fits
>> trying to pick up with what is going on in my body, now twenty years later.
>> So my dog relieves at home and I haven't traveled on trips for a while on
>> business.
>
>> Sandra don't pick up, warm hugs. Any of you who have severe problems like
>> CP, another Pilot grad, bless her, or other secondary disabilities, well you
>> all can help us pick up or please remember "we can all join others with
>> secondary disabilities. Things like falling wrong, falling down steps,
>> autoimmune , diseases well all kinds of things can make it impossible or
>> near impossible to pick up. .
>
>> Becky coming in late on the thread
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of S L Johnson via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 11:46 AM
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>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: S L Johnson <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog
>
>> Caitlyn:
>
>> Yes, at Pilot, the relief area is weird. They have a waist high railing so
>> the people don't fall off the curb into the relief area. You put the dog
>> under the railing and hold onto the leash which is six feet long. They show
>> you how to pick up before going home. The dogs are not used to being
>> touched while relieving. Eva pulls to the end of her leash and moves away
>> if I move toward her or bend to touch her. I have gradually tried getting
>> her used to relieving on a shorter leash without success. If I try to touch
>> her, she will not relieve herself and will come and stand at my side. With
>> my poor balance, spinal problems and arthritis I cannot move around
>> attempting to get close enough to her in order to pick up. The other
>> problem is that due to multiple sclerosis, I have a support cane in my other
>> hand. It is very hard to get close enough to the dog,lean down to touch
>> her, mark the spot with my foot, bend down to pick up without loosing my
>> balance, somehow try to get it all picked up, tie the bag and then, if I
>> haven't fallen over by then, try to get back to my feet. Needless to say,
>> in my situation, picking up isn't easy. I find other guide dog handlers
>> extremely rude when they get mad at me for not physically being able to pick
>> up. We should all try to be more understanding about a person's individual
>> situation and offer help instead of the hatred I've gotten when in groups of
>> blind people. If there were laws giving us exemption then nobody would give
>> us trouble about not doing it.
>
>> Sandra
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Caitlyn Furness via NAGDU
>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 2:20 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Caitlyn Furness
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog
>
>> Sandra,
>
>> We were encouraged to pick up after our dogs when I went to Seeing Eye for
>> three dogs, from roughly 2004 through 2012. when I got my first guide dog
>> back in the dinosaur ages(read the b?T80b?Ts), from GDB, we were also
>> encouraged to pick up, and those who didnb?Tt know how were taught.
>
>> when I got Maggie in 2013 from Gallant hearts, the trainer offered to pick
>> up, but I declined and told him Ib?Td do it myself-since Ib?Td be doing it
>> at home myself all the time anyway. heck, after 30 years of guide dog use,
>> picking up is no big deal for me and I can do it in my sleep.
>
>> Mark said when he got Jordan at Pilot, they showed him where the releif spot
>> was, told him how often to take her out, and that was basically it. Also,
>> apparently, the releif spot they use is somewhat weird and makes it pretty
>> impossible for the people in class to pick up after the dog because of a
>> railing or something.
>
>> Cait
>
>>> On Jan 8, 2016, at 12:23 PM, S L Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
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>>> If this is so important, then it would also help if the trainers would
>>> concentrate on this during training. I've been to class and some
>>> schools don't really spend much time on this. The trainers are out
>>> there telling people what their dog is doing and picking up. I know
>>> Pilot doesn't spend any time on relief and picking up. What do other
>>> schools do? Do any of them make their students pick up during class?
>
>>> Sandra
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Cindy Ray via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 12:10 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Cc: Cindy Ray
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog
>
>>> I really don't understand why they don't have the raisers desensitize
>>> the dogs to being touched. Most of mine have done pretty well with
>>> being touched, but as I even have worked with my little cockerpoo, who
>>> is not, of course, trained to do much, I find she doesn't really take
>>> kindly to it, though she is better than she once was.
>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of S L Johnson
>>> via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 10:56 AM
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>>> Cc: S L Johnson <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog
>
>>> Hi,
>
>>> It has been my experience that the dogs are not used to being touched
>>> until we get them. By then, it is too late, They have already formed
>>> their particular behaviors when relieving themselves and it is hard to
>>> get them used to something else. It would help if the puppy raisers
>>> started them out at a young age by walking toward them and being
>>> touched while relieving and instructing the puppy to stay in one spot.
>>> I've had many dogs in my forty years of guide dog use that move around
>>> while relieving which results in you having to look for two or three
>>> piles. This makes picking up much more difficult or impossible.
>
>>> Sandra
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Deanna Lewis via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 10:14 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Deanna Lewis
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog
>
>>> Hi Caitlyn,
>>> I always assumed that the dogs got used to being touched while
>>> relieving when they were puppies. But, I recently found out that the
>>> puppy raisers are discouraged from touching them while they relieve. I
>>> am not sure if that was a recent change, or if it's always been that
>>> way. Personally, I think it would be good to get them accustomed to
>>> this when they are young, because my boy didn't like it all when I
>>> first started it. But, he is a lot better now with being touched.
>>> Deanna and Mambo
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Caitlyn
>>> Furness via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 9:47 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Caitlyn Furness
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog
>
>>> Oh, also, I use a short leash while releiving the dog. this makes it
>>> easy to get your hand up near the collar quickly.
>
>>> I donb?Tt think they get the dogs used to being touched or approached
>>> whilest releiving at Pilot. Mark had a time at first with Jordan, but
>>> now sheb?Ts fine with both being touched gentley on her back while she
>>> goes as well as Mark walking toward her afterwards. Just takes time and
>> patience.
>
>>> Itb?Ts not easy for any of us to pick up in the snow!!
>
>>> Cait
>
>>>> On Jan 7, 2016, at 2:31 PM, d m gina via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>>>> How did you learn how to walk up to the dog. Even sliding feet.
>>>> Sure would save on bags when she uses lots of them during the day.
>
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Hi Dar.
>>>>> Ben used to move while relieving. The solution was to hold the
>>>>> leash pretty close to his collar, so, even if he moved, he couldn't
>>>>> move far. Pretty soon, he stopped moving.
>>>>> Good luck. Picking up in snow is a pain.
>>>>> Tracy
>
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>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 1:57 PM
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Cc: d m gina
>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] picking up after dog
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>>>>> Folks when you are brainless as I are smile, I forget to take off
>>>>> the toileting harness.
>>>>> The other dogs this didn't matter, to her it does.
>>>>> She chewed up this one so bad I finally threw it away.
>>>>> When I try to follow leash down telling her to stay, she will move.
>>>>> If you have tricks of the trade or trade the trick that woud be kind.
>>>>> In the winter with snow I will keep her using the harness.
>>>>> Safer for me.
>>>>> She not only goes inside the bag but on the outside as well.
>>>>> Ugg not nice at all.
>>>>> Just wanted to know how you do it.
>>>>> Thanks,
>
>>>>> --
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