[NAGDU] picking up after dog

[Debby Phillips]

I'm not sure I understand, Rebecca.  Consistent? Consistent in 
teaching people how to pick up poop, and brainstorming? Pardon my 
pun, but what a waste of time.  We are all different, and live in 
different types of settings.  I can't imagine a group of 
instructors etc.  sitting around brainstorming on the best ways 
to pick up poop.  And in fact, I personally am done with this 
thread, and this will totally be my last response to it.  Lol.    
Debby

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Rebecca Ilniski via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users"<nagdu at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 10:09:02 -0500
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog

I use a relieving harness which was given to me by my school.  I 
got Zeb used to it in training as he moved  around and still does 
when he goes.  In my area where I live there's a pretty steep 
fine for not cleaning up that I really don't want to pay.  It 
would help if these schools would realize who these wonderful 
dogs are going to and do some long-term planning and 
brainstorming about these types of things and that should include 
not just trainers but also the raisers and should be consistent 
across the board.`

Rebecca and Zeb
email: rilniski at gmail.com

 On Jan 8, 2016, at 12:28 PM, Star Gazer via NAGDU 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:

            I think there is a difference between not being able
 to do something and half-assing it.  It sounds like Dan, that 
you half-ass
 picking up, at least that's how I read your message.  Far better 
to decide
 you can't or just will not do it, and have someone else do a 
good job then
 to say "It's hard because I'm blind".
 I don't really care how poop gets picked up, just that it gets 
done well.

 -----Original Message-----
 From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy 
Ray via
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 Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 11:10 AM
 To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
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 Cc: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog

 Sandra, I don't exactly understand the hostility in your post.  
You maybe
 cannot pick up; most of us can; therefore, it is our 
responsibility to do
 so.  Why? Because other people might walk in it if we don't.  I 
think it is
 really uncalled for to say we are self-righteous, especially 
since the whole
 thread came up in the first place because someone was asking the 
question.
 It is hard to pick up in snow; it isn't close to impossible 
unless you
 really are physically incapable.  I don't see the need for the 
hostility, not
 from you or from anyone else.  State you have physical 
limitations and
 cannot; then leave it at that.
 Cindy Lou Ray, Moderator
 cindyray at gmail.com


 -----Original Message-----
 From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of S L 
Johnson via
 NAGDU
 Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 9:22 AM
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 <nagdu at nfbnet.org
 Cc: S L Johnson <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net
 Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog

 Hi Dan,

 Finally someone who agrees with me.  I know this post will make 
the rest of
 you self righteous folks very mad but, I think it has to be 
said.  We are
 blind and we can not do everything perfectly.  There is nothing 
wrong with
 admitting there are things we cannot do.  In some cities blind 
people are
 exempt from picking up and I think it should be that way 
everywhere.  It is
 not easy with some dogs who move around a lot or dogs who do not 
like being
 touched or approached as they are relieving themselves.  Picking 
up can
 cause a lot of stress for a handler for several reasons.  Where 
is the
 nearest trash can?  you can't just stroll down the street with a 
bag of dog
 waste in your hand.  If you are a woman all dressed up in a long 
fancy
 dress, do you really want to bend down and get all messed up?  
As many of
 you have said, picking up in the snow is almost impossible.  Why 
can't we be
 like those other countries and just admit that as blind people 
there are
 entitled to some consideration and exemptions?  I will admit, I 
never pick
 up after my dogs.  In my own back yard, I let her out on her 30 
foot tie-out
 and get sighted help to clean the yard twice a week.  She 
usually goes at
 home but, if she did go out in public, I would find some grass 
and let her
 go.  When at conventions, I find a quiet area of grass at the 
hotel and
 convention center where my dog can go and if somebody doesn't 
like it, then
 too bad.  I have physical limitations that make picking up 
impossible so,
 the rest of you will just have to live with it.  For some of us, 
it is
 impossible, especially if you have other medical issues.  I do 
not
 understand why many blind people refuse to admit that there are 
just some
 things that we can not do.

 Sandra and Eva

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Dan Weiner via NAGDU
 Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 10:46 PM
 To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users'
 Cc: Dan Weiner
 Subject: Re: [NAGDU] picking up after dog

 I clean up after my dog especially in public because it's 
required,.  But I
 think we should be given an exemption on cleaning up as they do 
in some
 countries It is harder to clean up if we're blind, sorry,  JMO.