[NAGDU] FW: [seeing-eye] New law in Michigan: Service dogs can be registered

larry d keeler lkeeler at comcast.net
Mon Jan 18 14:07:44 UTC 2016 

Well Buddy, I have seen people who are really inept in handling they're
service dogs and can't control them either! 

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The way to distinguish "fake" ones from "real" ones is training. Behavior is
a good start there. Personally, I couldn't give two craps whether a dog is
"fake" or "real" if it isn't disruptive and isn't bothering me and my dog,
or anyone else for that matter. Florida seems to be on the right track here,
punishing the *people* who are doing the faking, not the ones who are
actually doing what they're supposed to be doing. 

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> On Jan 18, 2016, at 8:10 AM, larry d keeler via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Owner-trained dogs have always been some kind of issue! Don't know. I'd
> personally get them certified with the state somehow but, I know some
> trainers would object. If we complain about fake service animals, then we
> have to have a way to distinguish them from real working ones. If we just
> base it on dog and human behaviors, then we have other issues. The big
thing
> with our new law is that we have taken out certain things to bring it up
to
> date. I'm sure we can blast it and the voluntary ID thing forever but, the
> point is that we have cleaned up the old statute and we now have a new one
> with more modern thinking.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 12:11 AM
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [seeing-eye] New law in Michigan: Service dogs
can
> be registered
> 
> What happens to the folks who train their own dogs?
> just doesn't seem respectful.
> 
> Original message:
>> Sure, the patch is entirely voluntary, but I am not sure how much that 
>> matters. People don't understand those demarkations. When someone at 
>> your local pub says you can't bring the dog in here, and you give the 
>> ADA stuff, they can still say, "Yes, but you need to have it 
>> registered." Least that's how it feels to me.
>> Cindy
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of larry d 
>> keeler via NAGDU
>> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 8:03 PM
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>> Cc: larry d keeler <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [seeing-eye] New law in Michigan: Service 
>> dogs can be registered
> 
>> The patch again is entirely voluntary. They can not! Ask for ID.
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wayne And 
>> Harley via NAGDU
>> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 1:45 PM
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>> Cc: Wayne And Harley
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [seeing-eye] New law in Michigan: Service 
>> dogs can be registered
> 
> 
> 
>> In this case, as in California, or any other state, the law that 
>> grants the most protection to the Service Dog Owner will apply. In the 
>> case of someone going through Michigan with an unpatched Service Dog,  
>> the protections of the ADA would pertain.
> 
>> Yours, Very Sincerely And Respectfully,
> 
>> Wayne M. Scace
> 
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Marianne Denning via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: 1/16/2016  15:42  (GMT-06:00)
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,        the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Marianne Denning <marianne at denningweb.com>, Tina Thomas 
>> <judotina48kg at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [seeing-eye] New law in Michigan: Service dogs
> can
>>        be registered
> 
>> This concerns me because if I travel to MI and don't have one of those 
>> patches will I be harassed by business owners?  What happens then?  I 
>> know it says "people can," but that may be interpreted by business 
>> owners as "people must."
> 
>> Thanks for this update.
> 
>> On 1/16/16, Tina Thomas via NAGDU  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> From: seeing-eye at googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:seeing-eye at googlegroups.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Sue Martin
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 10:22 AM
>>> To: seeing-eye at googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: [seeing-eye] New law in Michigan: Service dogs can be 
>>> registered
> 
> 
> 
>>> From:
>>> http://www.wzzm13.com/story/news/local/2016/01/14/new-law-updating-se
>>> r vice-animal-rules-takes-effect-soon/78812092/
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. (WZZM) -- Next week, a new state law goes into 
>>> effect updating Michigan's rules on service animals.
> 
>>> The state's Department of Civil Rights held a news conference in 
>>> Grand Rapids Thursday to outline the new law. It provides a chance 
>>> for people who use service animals to register them with the state. 
>>> Once registered, those people will receive an official state patch 
>>> that can be attached to the harness.
> 
>>> That will make it easier for businesses to determine who is entitled 
>>> to a service animal accommodation, said the state's Americans with 
>>> Disabilities Act compliance director Sharon Ellis.
> 
>>> "It's going to be so much easier not only to have your service animal 
>>> by your side, but you'll have the peace of mind to have the state of 
>>> Michigan by your side also," Ellis said.
> 
> 
> 
>>> The law also stiffens penalties for people who falsely say their pet 
>>> is a service animal.
> 
>>> It takes effect on Monday.
> 
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