[NAGDU] A question.

[Cindy Ray]

Let's not start this kind of a discussion. The issue with the woman in the
apartment, so far as we now know, as that she has been refused the right to
take her dog to the pool and she has documentation to that effect. No, we
certainly cannot make assumptions about what happened. She is definitely
innocent, probably in fact, until proved to be guilty. It isn't fair to make
assumptions. End of Story. I do not want us to falme her or others who have
expressed opinions here.
Cindy


-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Weiner via
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Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:39 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
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Cc: Dan Weiner <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] A question.

Excellent,let's automatically assume some misconduct on the part of  our
guide dog using brothers and sisters.

Way to go.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vivianna via
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Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:29 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: Vivianna
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] A question.

Hello.
i agree that we should not have any issues taking our guides into a pool
area.  unless, the dog is misbehaving somehow.  if the dog is running
around, disturbing others, getting into the pool, barking, whatever, then,
the dog should not be allowed.  
there could be other issues here.  i certainly know many folks who have dogs
that would misbehave in such a situation.  
i don't mean to sound mean here.  but, we have our end to hold up as well.
perhaps we don't know the whole situation here.

Vivianna

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 9:45 AM, NAGDU President via NAGDU 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> 	Just so everyone knows, this person has a written citation for
taking 
> her service dog to the pool area, as well as a voice mail message 
> warning her to not take the dog to the pool. Since she has objective 
> evidence of the discrimination, in spite of her granted request for 
> accommodations under the Fair Housing Act, she will have no problem 
> getting her rights enforced by HUD.
> 
> 	One of the best things we can do when we are denied our civil rights

> is to get and preserve objective evidence. This can be done by asking 
> for written explanations or by recording the incident. In public 
> places, one has no expectation of privacy, so such recordings are 
> generally legal. If, however, they take place in a private place, such 
> as a residence or office, there is an expectation of privacy and such
recordings may not be legal.
> 
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J. 
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:02 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Julie J.
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] A question.
> 
> I'd like to draw a tiny bit of attention to the original 
> question...which was what to do about the situation.  I think the 
> person knows she has the right to go to the pool with her dog.  The 
> building management has given her a citation and now the issue is how 
> to
proceed to advocate for her rights.
> 
> It's advice on action that is being sought, not information on her rights.
> 
> Julie
> 
> 
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