[NAGDU] travel with service dog...NAGDU Digest, Vol 135, Issue 8

Dan Weiner dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net
Tue Jun 21 17:35:58 UTC 2016


You used abbreviationsfor the country's you visited, so what is DR, you said
that is one of the countries you went to.  Enjoy the day. 

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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] travel with service dog...NAGDU Digest, Vol 135, Issue
8

Brianna and I have been to 8 foreign countries in the past 5 years.  These
include GB, Ireland, Spain, Italy, Switzerland, Mexico, DR, and Brazil.  It
is difficult to find information on service dog laws in each country.
Computer searches on US Google do not always help.  One may use the Google
of the country one intends to visit, using a translate service to find the
right words for "service dog" or "guide dog".  E-mailing service dog
programs in the country one intends to visit can help one know what to
expect.  We always see the vet as early as possible 10 days prior to
arriving and bring addressed envelopes with us to the appointment and a copy
of our service dog ID with a note that there is no fee for a service dog
(sometimes a reminder is necessary).  We drop the letter at the PO
immediately, and always call the next day to check on whether our paperwork
has arrived/or to ask the office to look out for it.  

I try to find a native speaker of the language to translate a short
explanation of our situation.  I type it on a card in a large font, laminate
it and hang it on Bri's harness.
 In most countries we are treated similarly as in the US.


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>    1. Re: Urgent question, traveling abroad with guide dog
>       (Tom Babinszki)
>    2. Rosen Center Pools (David)
>    3. Re: Rosen Center Pools (Star Gazer)
>    4. Re: Rosen Center Pools (Cindy Ray)
>    5. Re: Rosen Center Pools (Steven Johnson)
>    6. Re: Rosen Center Pools (Dan Weiner)
>    7. Re: Rosen Center Pools (Star Gazer)
>    8. Re: Rosen Center Pools (Cindy Ray)
>    9. Re: Rosen Center Pools (Cindy Ray)
>   10. Re: Rosen Center Pools (David)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 14:25:04 -0400
> From: Tom Babinszki <tbabinszki at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Urgent question, traveling abroad with guide dog
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> Dan,
> I very much agree. I have traveled extensively without a dog, and though I
had my fair share of difficulties, I always found travel fun. Traveling with
Baldwin was great in many ways, but certainly painful given the bureaucracy.
> I think it can be done better, but not sure how. There are many advocacy
groups, and guide dog associations, nationally and internationally. I?m sure
they are doing all they can.
> I?d be very happy to help in any way I can, using my connections, and my
experience with languages and cultures, but not even sure how to get
started.
> If anybody knows what would be a good way for me to contribute, and not
just complain, please let me know.
> Tom
> 
> > On Jun 18, 2016, at 10:06 AM, Dan Weiner via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> > 
> > First of all thank you very very much for sharing your experience. 
> > Now I will rant...in 80 or 90 years of guide dog use, there still 
> > isn't really any stream-lined way to do this, every country is 
> > different of course--smile and our dogs are basically upon entering 
> > considered a pet which must in essence have the same rigmarole of 
> > paperwork making travel with our dogs difficult and time-consuming to
prepare.
> > I don't have any solution to present as of present but frankly 
> > something needs to be stream-lind on an international level, I mean, 
> > with increased mobility training for blind people, computer 
> > technology, and transportation, it is natural that blind people will 
> > travel around more and more and that does mean country to country. I 
> > had the same issues the three times I traveled abroad, four times, 
> > actually with my dog, once to Mexico, twice to Russia, once to Japan.
> > Always the stress and paperwork, always the  last moment worry about 
> > all the is and its being crossed.
> > That's all I have to say, it concerns me because  I  would, indeed 
> > like to travel more abroad and using a guide dog is an important thing
to me.
> > 
> > The last international travel expereince I had with a guide dog or 
> > without was 13 years aago.
> > Anyway, thanks again Tom and I hope you had an enjoyable trip.
> > 
> > Dan and the Parker Hound
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tom 
> > Babinszki via NAGDU
> > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 8:55 AM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Cc: Tom Babinszki
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Urgent question, traveling abroad with guide 
> > dog
> > 
> > A few weeks ago I have asked for your help regarding traveling to 
> > Hungary with my dog.
> > We made it, just got back last weekend.
> > 
> > The process was rather complicated, so I thought I would share it 
> > with you, in case it helps anybody in the future.
> > It is a slightly longer piece, probably those could benefit from it 
> > who are planning to travel abroad with a 10 day requirement and do 
> > not have a quick access to a USDA office to have the documents
certified.
> > For others, probably the whole process and experience will be different.
> > 
> > So, 10 day requirement: I believe it applies to most EU countries. 
> > Your vet has to sign the necessary paperwork within 10 days of your 
> > arrival to the target country. This means that due to travel length 
> > and time change, flying to Europe it is really 9 days before your 
> > departure time. If this day falls on a Saturday, this can 
> > potentially shave off a couple of days from the other end as well, 
> > so now we are down to 7. I wonder what happens if anything gets 
> > delayed unexpectedly, as it did on the way back. In my case, this 
> > date was a Sunday, so I scheduled an appointment with the vet first
thing on Monday morning.
> > 
> > There are three ways to get the documents certified by the USDA, 
> > before your departure at the airport at the USDA desk if your 
> > airport has one. You can visit your nearest USDA office within ten 
> > days of your arrival to your destination, or you can mail it to your
USDA office.
> > Since I was told that Cleveland doesn't have a USDA desk, and the 
> > nearest office is about a 3 hour drive from us, I decided to mail 
> > the documents. If I couldn't find anybody to drive me, this trip 
> > from our house would take twice as long using public transportation.
> > The USDA recommended that I overnight the letter, and if I enclose 
> > an overnight return label they will send it back to me the same way, 
> > otherwise it is regular mail. Chances are I would have received it 
> > in one aday by regular mail, but I didn't want to risk it.
> > On Monday I mailed out the forms, which the USDA received on Tuesday 
> > morning. On Wednesday I got a call to clarify my destination, then I 
> > received a call from my Vet on Thursday that the USDA needed her to 
> > have one page signed, apparently the signature was at the wrong 
> > place. If this page was ok, there is a good chance they would have 
> > mailed the document back on Thursday for me to receive it on Friday. 
> > Instead, I overnighted the newly signed page, which got to the USDA 
> > on early Friday morning. I called them to doublecheck if everything 
> > was ok, when they informed me that currently they didn't have a vet 
> > there to certify my documents, but they will do it on Monday. My trip
started on Tuesday afternoon. For lack of better, I agreed.
> > On Monday morning I called again, everything was fine, my document 
> > was going to be signed that day. Since my UPS online tracking didn't 
> > show it was mailed, I called on Monday afternoon, when I was assured 
> > that the document is read and they put it on the mail after the 
> > office closes. At this point, we were less then 24 hours before my 
> > scheduled departure. Five minutes before the office closed, I got a 
> > call from the USDA vet asking me to clarify if I'm attending any 
> > event in Hungary. Now, why does this matter, and why they couldn't 
> > ask me six days earlier is beyond my understanding. I found it more 
> > frustrating that my papers weren't certified after I was told that they
were ready to be mailed.
> > It was Monday at 10 PM when UPS scanned my letter, which I received 
> > on Tuesday morning. I'm a chill guy, but I was getting nervous.
> > So, four hours before I had to leave the house it became certain 
> > that Baldwin can come with me.
> > 
> > In an optimal case, if all papers are filled out properly, and they 
> > have a vet at the USDA on a given day, the whole process could have 
> > been completed between Monday morning and Wednesday morning.
> > At least, now I know what went wrong, what do I need to doublecheck, 
> > and the other advantage is that my vet now has the experience of 
> > filling out the form, and probably this mistake won't slip in again.
> > I'm not sure how I'm going to approach it next time, I will probably 
> > feel more confident taking my forms in personally, though this time 
> > it would have taken me two full days of travel.
> > 
> > Interestingly, nobody ever asked me for the paperwork. I even took 
> > Baldwin out in Switzerland when we had a short layover, people were 
> > helpful, but never asked on what basis I'm planning to take my dog out
on Swiss grounds.
> > Then came Hungary, it is a unique case, because I am a dual citizen, 
> > so it is possible that they thought I'm coming home one way or 
> > another, but nobody wanted to know where my dog is from, even though 
> > in Hungary it is mandatory to have a red cross on the harness for 
> > guide dogs, at least for those which were trained there, for 
> > identification. On the way back, our last flight got cancelled, so 
> > we had to spend a night in Toronto. Again, nobody wanted to know on 
> > what basis I'm bringing a dog from Europe. Though it is tempting not 
> > to worry about papers next time, it is worth noting that all 
> > government agencies cliam that without the proper paperwork, they may
end up putting the dog down, so it is not worth risking.
> > 
> > Also, as a side note, I found it more difficult to have a guide dog 
> > in Hungary. Baldwin was a great help for me, but people didn't seem 
> > to find it too natural that a blind person is getting around with 
> > the dog. When I went anywhere with friends and family, it was a 
> > regular question if we can go to certain places with a dog, and I 
> > found that many more people wanted to play with Baldwin when he was 
> > working. Maybe it was the lack of the identifying red cross on his 
> > harness, but I just still don't get it, why would you want to play 
> > with a stranger's dog you don't know, but I guess it is a different,
already well-documented topic.
> > 
> > I know it was a long rambling, please understand, I'm not trying to 
> > complain, I did my venting with my family and friends, but since I 
> > haven't seen much conversation about traveling abroad, I hope this 
> > will help someone in the future.
> > 
> > Again, thank you for all your help you offered when I was getting 
> > the preparation started.
> > 
> > Tom and Baldwin
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Tom Babinszki <tbabinszki at gmail.com>
wrote:
> > 
> >> Thank you for your help. Yes, it is a bit complicated to say the least.
> >> I'm trying to avoid a personal trip and rather send the docs 
> >> overnight, because the nearest USDA location is a half day drive 
> >> even more with public transportation.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >> 
> >>> On Apr 30, 2016, at 8:20 PM, terrie arnold via NAGDU 
> >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Yes you have to get a health certification through the US 
> >>> department of
> >> agriculture for your dog, going to a foreign country first question 
> >> I have for you where did your dog graduate from if you want the 
> >> pilot dogs you may have to pay a fee of $550 to get your dog in the 
> >> country we may have to send that before hand so went to England 
> >> last year and had to pay the fee five days beforehand didn't know 
> >> about it so that yes you may need to get your dog wormed you may 
> >> need to get him rebeck sedated for rabies as well so it might be a 
> >> pricey proposition taking your dog to hungry sorry to say so check 
> >> very very very carefullyx
> >>> 
> >>> My thoughts for today
> >>> 
> >>>> On Apr 30, 2016, at 3:56 PM, Tom Babinszki via NAGDU 
> >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>> Sorry for the cross post, just would like to make sure I get 
> >>>> answers
> >> due to
> >>>> the short time I'm working with.
> >>>> The situation is that I'm scheduled to travel to Hungary on May 
> >>>> 10 with
> >> my
> >>>> guide dog.
> >>>> I received some information on what paperwork I need to have 
> >>>> filled out, but it is pretty confusing.
> >>>> I have an appointment with my vet on Monday morning to fill out 
> >>>> the
> >> forms.
> >>>> I would like to make sure I have everything covered and I don't 
> >>>> need to part with my dog along the way.
> >>>> I called each airline I'm traveling with, and had them add a note 
> >>>> that
> >> I'll
> >>>> be traveling with my dog. As I understand, it is not necessary, 
> >>>> but I
> >> heard
> >>>> too many horror stories recently.
> >>>> I called the USDA, and I was advised that since they don't have a 
> >>>> desk
> >> at
> >>>> the Cleveland airport, I need to send them the forms to be certified.
> >>>> I need to give these forms to a certified vet, within ten days of 
> >>>> my arrival to Hungary.
> >>>> One form is an English-Hungarian bilingual form about 
> >>>> non-commercial
> >> animal
> >>>> movement:
> >>>> 
> >> https://www.aphis.usda.gov/regulations/vs/iregs/animals/downloads/h
> >> u_p
> >> et_non_comm_fil_hc_ab.pdf
> >>>> The other is the dog's health certificate.
> >>>> Is this the APHIS7001 form? Is this different from the 
> >>>> English-Hungarian form?
> >>>> Is there any other forms I will need?
> >>>> I also read that I will have to enclose a check, but when I 
> >>>> called the
> >> USDA
> >>>> they never told me about this, I only found this info online today.
> >>>> Is this correct? Who do I make this check to?
> >>>> Is this the correct address I need to send the forms to?
> >>>> 12927 Stonecreek Drive
> >>>> Pickerington, OH
> >>>> The forms and instructions do not contain an address.
> >>>> Thank you for all your help!
> >>>> Tom
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 17:38:57 -0400
> From: David <david at bakerinet.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Subject: [NAGDU] Rosen Center Pools
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> Does anyone know whether one of the several pools at the Rosen Center 
> will be available for guide dogs to swim in?
> 
> David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 17:59:52 -0400
> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Rosen Center Pools
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> 			I doubt it. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 5:39 PM
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> Cc: David <david at bakerinet.com>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Rosen Center Pools
> 
> Does anyone know whether one of the several pools at the Rosen Center 
> will be available for guide dogs to swim in?
> 
> David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL
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> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 17:16:19 -0500
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Rosen Center Pools
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> I rather suspect that they don't have allowances for that, but I 
> suspect I won't say that for sure. There are four pools, but they are 
> all people pools and dog hair in them would require more work seems to 
> me. So I would imagine not. But this isn't a final answer by any stretch.
> Cindy
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: [NAGDU] Rosen Center Pools
> 
> Does anyone know whether one of the several pools at the Rosen Center 
> will be available for guide dogs to swim in?
> 
> David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 17:35:07 -0500
> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
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> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Rosen Center Pools
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> My best guess, and probably a fair assumption, is that health code in 
> the State of Florida would not allow this.  Additionally,  you at this 
> point with your guide, are no longer a title III covered entity.  It 
> is not reasonable for a public entity for a hotel to allow a dog to 
> swim in a pool meant for humans.  A suggestion as an alternative, put 
> the dog in your room bathtub.
> 
> Look up the Orlando Department of Public Health, email them and get 
> the answer.
> 
> Steve
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray 
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 5:16 PM
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> Cc: Cindy Ray
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Rosen Center Pools
> 
> I rather suspect that they don't have allowances for that, but I 
> suspect I won't say that for sure. There are four pools, but they are 
> all people pools and dog hair in them would require more work seems to 
> me. So I would imagine not. But this isn't a final answer by any stretch.
> Cindy
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Cc: David <david at bakerinet.com>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Rosen Center Pools
> 
> Does anyone know whether one of the several pools at the Rosen Center 
> will be available for guide dogs to swim in?
> 
> David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 18:40:48 -0400
> From: "Dan Weiner" <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Rosen Center Pools
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> I'm actually more worried about how I'll deal with going swimming, if 
> you say, as it has been stated on this list that dog guides aren't to 
> be left in rooms, and if I want to go swimming, and I do swim--smile, 
> how will I handle it...I never take my dog swimming here because the 
> pool area at my gym is outside and too hot, I mean it's concrete and 
> in the sun...so any thoughts are good...I usually think my dog should 
> be with me so I can control any situation--smile. So maybe I'll just 
> go and sit by the pool and not go in, or find someone to doggie sit, any
other ideas??
> 
> Dan the man
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray 
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 6:16 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Cindy Ray
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Rosen Center Pools
> 
> I rather suspect that they don't have allowances for that, but I 
> suspect I won't say that for sure. There are four pools, but they are 
> all people pools and dog hair in them would require more work seems to 
> me. So I would imagine not. But this isn't a final answer by any stretch.
> Cindy
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David via 
> NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 4:39 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
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> Cc: David <david at bakerinet.com>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Rosen Center Pools
> 
> Does anyone know whether one of the several pools at the Rosen Center 
> will be available for guide dogs to swim in?
> 
> David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL
> 
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> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 18:48:06 -0400
> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Rosen Center Pools
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> 				Wonder if they have doggie daycare at the
convention for those 
> that want to swim?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Weiner 
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 6:41 PM
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> Cc: Dan Weiner <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Rosen Center Pools
> 
> I'm actually more worried about how I'll deal with going swimming, if 
> you say, as it has been stated on this list that dog guides aren't to 
> be left in rooms, and if I want to go swimming, and I do swim--smile, 
> how will I handle it...I never take my dog swimming here because the 
> pool area at my gym is outside and too hot, I mean it's concrete and 
> in the sun...so any thoughts are good...I usually think my dog should 
> be with me so I can control any situation--smile. So maybe I'll just 
> go and sit by the pool and not go in, or find someone to doggie sit, any
other ideas??
> 
> Dan the man
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray 
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 6:16 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Cindy Ray
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Rosen Center Pools
> 
> I rather suspect that they don't have allowances for that, but I 
> suspect I won't say that for sure. There are four pools, but they are 
> all people pools and dog hair in them would require more work seems to 
> me. So I would imagine not. But this isn't a final answer by any stretch.
> Cindy
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: [NAGDU] Rosen Center Pools
> 
> Does anyone know whether one of the several pools at the Rosen Center 
> will be available for guide dogs to swim in?
> 
> David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 17:49:55 -0500
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Rosen Center Pools
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> Well, I'd suggest doggie sitting, or go early before it is beastly hot 
> and tie him to something.
> Cindy
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Weiner 
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 5:41 PM
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> Cc: Dan Weiner <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Rosen Center Pools
> 
> I'm actually more worried about how I'll deal with going swimming, if 
> you say, as it has been stated on this list that dog guides aren't to 
> be left in rooms, and if I want to go swimming, and I do swim--smile, 
> how will I handle it...I never take my dog swimming here because the 
> pool area at my gym is outside and too hot, I mean it's concrete and 
> in the sun...so any thoughts are good...I usually think my dog should 
> be with me so I can control any situation--smile. So maybe I'll just 
> go and sit by the pool and not go in, or find someone to doggie sit, any
other ideas??
> 
> Dan the man
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray 
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 6:16 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Cindy Ray
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Rosen Center Pools
> 
> I rather suspect that they don't have allowances for that, but I 
> suspect I won't say that for sure. There are four pools, but they are 
> all people pools and dog hair in them would require more work seems to 
> me. So I would imagine not. But this isn't a final answer by any stretch.
> Cindy
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> NAGDU
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> Cc: David <david at bakerinet.com>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Rosen Center Pools
> 
> Does anyone know whether one of the several pools at the Rosen Center 
> will be available for guide dogs to swim in?
> 
> David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 17:50:28 -0500
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Rosen Center Pools
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> There has not often been that, or at least I don't think so. I never 
> went swimming when I was taking my dogs.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Star Gazer 
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 5:48 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
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> Cc: Star Gazer <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Rosen Center Pools
> 
> 				Wonder if they have doggie daycare at the
convention for those 
> that want to swim?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Weiner 
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 6:41 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Dan Weiner <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Rosen Center Pools
> 
> I'm actually more worried about how I'll deal with going swimming, if 
> you say, as it has been stated on this list that dog guides aren't to 
> be left in rooms, and if I want to go swimming, and I do swim--smile, 
> how will I handle it...I never take my dog swimming here because the 
> pool area at my gym is outside and too hot, I mean it's concrete and 
> in the sun...so any thoughts are good...I usually think my dog should 
> be with me so I can control any situation--smile. So maybe I'll just 
> go and sit by the pool and not go in, or find someone to doggie sit, any
other ideas??
> 
> Dan the man
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray 
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 6:16 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Cindy Ray
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Rosen Center Pools
> 
> I rather suspect that they don't have allowances for that, but I 
> suspect I won't say that for sure. There are four pools, but they are 
> all people pools and dog hair in them would require more work seems to 
> me. So I would imagine not. But this isn't a final answer by any stretch.
> Cindy
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> NAGDU
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> Cc: David <david at bakerinet.com>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Rosen Center Pools
> 
> Does anyone know whether one of the several pools at the Rosen Center 
> will be available for guide dogs to swim in?
> 
> David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 07:27:03 -0400
> From: David <david at bakerinet.com>
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Rosen Center Pools
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> I don't hold out much hope, Cindy.  Dog hair isn't much of a problem 
> as a filter sock in the skimmer basket can take care of that.  I 
> suppose there might be some regulatory concerns in a public access pool,
though.
> 
> David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL
> 
> On 6/20/2016 6:16 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU wrote:
> > I rather suspect that they don't have allowances for that, but I 
> > suspect I won't say that for sure. There are four pools, but they 
> > are all people pools and dog hair in them would require more work 
> > seems to me. So I would imagine not. But this isn't a final answer by
any stretch.
> > Cindy
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Cc: David <david at bakerinet.com>
> > Subject: [NAGDU] Rosen Center Pools
> >
> > Does anyone know whether one of the several pools at the Rosen 
> > Center will be available for guide dogs to swim in?
> >
> > David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL
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