[NAGDU] {?} Re: Punctuation....

Christina Moore christina.moore16 at houghton.edu
Mon May 9 14:10:16 UTC 2016 

I think sometimes people try to hard to make dictate work. They have a tendency to exaggerate their voice and enunciate things a little bit too much and then the phone gets confused.


God bless.--Christina

> On May 9, 2016, at 10:04, Jody Ianuzzi via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Just a note to people using dictate. If you say the punctuation as you dictate it will be added to your sentence.
> 
> Hadley school for the blind has some excellent tutorials on dictate on YouTube.  Just search for Hadley I focus.
> 
> JODY 🐺
> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
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> "There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes."  DOCTOR WHO (Tom Baker)
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> 
> 
>> On May 9, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I hate to pick about this, but could we take time to put punctuation in our
>> posts, for those of us who don't, and be a little careful about the typos.
>> When there is no punctuation and there are lots of typos, it is hard for old
>> people like me to get the gist of your messages. I know I can be more
>> careful about the typos, but the punctuation makes pauses in the speech, and
>> those pauses are helpful.
>> Cindy
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of terrie arnold via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Sunday, May 8, 2016 4:33 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: terrie arnold <terrieiphone at me.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} RE: {Spam?} Re: Mind Blown....
>> 
>> Well only one guy dog school that I know of charges a fee for their service
>> dog stuff your first dog $150 and each dog after that it's 50 bucks so with
>> this you on the dog the school does not own it after that fact so all the
>> rest the schools give you the dog but they do have the right to come back
>> and pull the dock from you so Cena done from several different schools for
>> people to miss treating their dogs where the Skewis comment Schools have
>> gone and taken your dogs back from people for mistreatment either hitting
>> the dog not feeding the dog or just the bad way of using the dog I want to
>> say but yeah I've seen it heard it many times from the leader dog today to
>> Fidel go to GDF so but this three cross training thing I don't know
>> sometimes the dogs, train themselves to do other things once you have them,
>> As I had a friend that was diabetic and her dog would rub up against her a
>> par when her sugar was going low and it did all by himself he wasn't trying
>> to do that so many times the dog saved her from going into a diabetic, so
>> our dogs are wonderful nurse smart little buggers to boot
>> 
>> My thoughts for today
>> 
>>>> On May 7, 2016, at 11:33 PM, Tami Jarvis via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wayne,
>>> 
>>> Oh, I totally agree that the three task minimum should nto be a
>> requirement. I hadn't heard that there are people who believe it should
>> until I read it in the Illinois proposal. I am truly shocked. I can't even
>> begin to understand the thinking behind that one.
>>> 
>>> Glad the Illinois bill is no longer a concern and that you're working to
>> see its like will not come again.
>>> 
>>> Tami
>>> 
>>>> On 05/07/2016 08:55 PM, Wayne And Harley via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Tammi,My point is the three task minimum should not be a requirement for
>> a dog to be considered a Service Dog.  I was in no way saying that Service
>> Dogs should all be mono tasked. I know several SD Owners whose dogs do
>> multiple tasks for their owners multiple disabilities,  but I also know
>> several SD Owners whose SD does just one task.I see Guiding as being
>> analogous to a computer.It's a complex system made up of many components.
>> For a computer all the major components need to be there for the computer to
>> work. Guiding is the same. If all the major components ( microtasks ) aren't
>> there the dog isn't guiding.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Yours, Very Sincerely And Respectfully,
>>>> 
>>>> Wayne M. Scace
>>>> 
>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>> From: Tami Jarvis via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Date: 5/7/2016  14:59  (GMT-06:00)
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com>
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] {Spam?} Re:  Mind Blown....
>>>> 
>>>> Wayne,
>>>> 
>>>> Yeah. The three-task minimum could be life and death for some service 
>>>> dog users. Literally. I know some medical alert dogs also bring a 
>>>> medicine bag and/or push a button on an emergency call device and/or 
>>>> a few other things. But some simply need to alert the handler in time 
>>>> for the handler to deal with the situation before it becomes 
>>>> critical. This enables the handler to go to the grocery store without 
>>>> ending up in a coma in the middle of the floor. So how is this not 
>>>> good enough? I was talking to my friend with the PTSD service dog. 
>>>> Out in public, where access laws are relevant, the dog alerts my 
>>>> friend to an impending episode so my friend can do deep breathing or 
>>>> leave the stressful area or whatever. Sometimes, the dog then adds 
>>>> pressure to help my friend regain her balance more quickly. So that's 
>>>> two. The dog does some additional things at home, so that puts her 
>>>> over three. But if these licensing laws are about public access, would
>> the at-home tasks apply?
>>>> It's an entertaining thing ponder, if one is that hard up for 
>>>> entertainment. But if the three-task minimum is in a law, then that
>> matters.
>>>> 
>>>> Some people see guide dog work as many separate tasks; others see it 
>>>> as you do -- one task with a lot of components. I tend towards that 
>>>> view myself, with obstacle avoidance and curb stops being a part of 
>>>> the task of guiding. I think of "find" as a separate task, I suppose, 
>>>> and I see it as applying to my disability, so there we're up to two. 
>>>> Still not legal, depending on who is deciding officially how many 
>>>> tasks are included in guiding.
>>>> 
>>>> The legislative efforts I've seen the past year or so would 
>>>> definitely pose problems for owner-trainers. But as written, they 
>>>> would cause some of the same problems for people with dogs from the 
>>>> programs. They would also need to have their dogs tested before they 
>>>> could continue using them, for instance. At least service dog users 
>>>> who could drive could get their dog to the testing site. If your 
>>>> guide dog is suddenly not a service dog because it does not have the 
>>>> license, you can't just hop on the bus to go get it, can you? There's 
>>>> no grandfather clause in these proposals to cover that. Until you 
>>>> wrangle up a ride to go get that license, that guide dog you've been 
>>>> using for the past five years is now officially a pet and cannot go 
>>>> where pets are not allowed. Oh, and who pays for you to get there? By 
>>>> the ADA, they can't charge for the license, and probably not for the 
>>>> test. But what about the 50-mile cab ride. Or, for some folks, the 
>>>> 300-miles there, another 300 miles back, and a stay in a hotel? Oh, 
>>>> and don't forget meals! I'm suddenly picturing myself lugging around 
>>>> a 3-day supply of peanut butter sandwiches, along with dog food and
>> everything else.
>>>> 
>>>> The people behind these legislative efforts claim loudly and piously 
>>>> that they're just looking after the rights of disabled people and 
>>>> making sure they're protected. The inevitable results of their 
>>>> efforts would demonstrate something quite different.
>>>> 
>>>> Meanwhile, Fluffy has a shiny laminated license that looks just like 
>>>> the official one. Her mom whipped it up on the computer, paid 5 bucks 
>>>> to get it laminated, and they're good to go to the store! Fewer real 
>>>> service dogs in stores means more room for Fluffy!
>>>> 
>>>> Tami
>>>> 
>>>>> On 05/07/2016 11:47 AM, Wayne And Harley via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks Jenine,So ADI, by accepting IGDF's standards for Guide Dog 
>>>>> training has, tacitly, admitted that their "One size fits all" 
>>>>> approach to Service Dog training cannot cover all Service Dog 
>>>>> modalities!!Does acceptance of IGDF's standards mean that the 
>>>>> idiotic "three task requirement" rule ( Which is counter to the 
>>>>> language in the ADA ) doesn't apply to Guide Dogs?Here's why I ask. 
>>>>> My Guide Dog does one work, or task, if you will, its a huge complex 
>>>>> type of work/task, it's called guiding. Guiding itself, while large 
>>>>> and complex, is made up of several microtasks which if one was 
>>>>> missing would mean he hasn't finished training to be a Guide Dog. 
>>>>> Conversely, those micro tasks do not and cannot stand alone. That 
>>>>> "three task requirement" would also mean that many current SD's that 
>>>>> perform only one mitigating task directly related to their owner's 
>>>>> disability would not be considered, by ADI and their member 
>>>>> organisations, as SD's simply because their Owner only needs one 
>>>>> task done
>>>> to mitiga
>>>> te their disability. Take medical alert Dogs and seizure response 
>>>> dogs for example. The next question that occurs to my fertile mind 
>>>> is, are the Guide Dog schools fully on board with ADI's agenda?The next
>> point that I wish to raise, as many Guide Dog Owners may not be aware of
>> this is.Wiithin the Guide Dog Owning Community, Owner Trainers are a very
>> small minority, as the majority of Guide Dog Owners work with programme
>> trained Guide Dogs. Within the Greater Service Dog Owning community this is
>> reversed. Service Dog Owner Trainers predominate and programme trained
>> Service Dog Owners are the vast minority. The other Service Dog Modalities
>> have a clear majority and Guide Dog Owners ( both Programme trained and
>> Owner Trained Guide Dog Owners ) are a miniscule minority.If ADI's
>> "solution" to the fake disabled person "problem" a very large number of the
>> disabled will become disenfranchised and be discriminated against because
>> not every disability has a corresponding Training progr  amme, or a
>> programme that would train for the mix of disabilities that so many Service
>> Dog Owner Trainers suffer from. Nor could those that will be disenfranchised
>> possibly afford the cost of going to an ADI registered programme. Here the
>> Guide Dog Owning community has a clear advantage as most Guide Dog Schools
>> charge the recipients a nominal fee for their Service Dogs.I, for one, would
>> rather not lose my civil rights as they currently stand and be fitted for
>> ADI's version of the "Yellow Star Of David".
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yours, Very Sincerely And Respectfully,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wayne M. Scace
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>>> From: Jenine Stanley via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Date: 5/7/2016  08:29  (GMT-06:00)
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Jenine Stanley <jeninems at icloud.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Mind Blown....
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wayne,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Before you panic, ADI has adopted the IGDF standards as their standards
>> for guide dog schools.
>>>>>> On May 6, 2016, at 11:38 PM, Wayne And Harley via NAGDU
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My mind is BLOWN, I just did a casual search that took only a few
>> minutes on ADI's website. Every major Guide Dog Training programme in the
>> U.S.  is accredited by ADI. The only ones that I didn't see there were Pilot
>> and a young school in Mississippi called Gallant Hearts....And here I
>> thought they adhered to IGDF's standards and Guidelines. ....
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yours, Very Sincerely And Respectfully,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Wayne M. Scace
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