[NAGDU] collar question

S L Johnson SLJohnson25 at comcast.net
Mon May 16 22:08:59 UTC 2016 

Hello:

When I use slip rings for the tags, I use the smallest ones you can buy. 
Mine are half inch.  Those don't get all tangled up in the collar when you 
are working your dog.  I got mine at Home Depot at the counter where they 
make keys.  Also, if you do not like slip rings, you can always do as many 
schools did for years and use S-hooks.  Just be sure to get ones large 
enough to go over the thickness of your dog's collar.  You attach them with 
a small pair of pliers.  They come in many sizes and can be found at most 
hardware stores.  The bell that I have always used is a small one-inch brass 
cow bell.  It is one inch tall, one inch wide and half an inch thick.  It 
has a pleasant jingling sound.  It came with a clip to attach it to the 
collar.  It can also be attached with a small slip ring.  I like that one 
because it isn't too loud but loud enough to be heard if trying to follow 
friends.  The sound is not so loud that it is annoying to you, your dog or 
other people.  I like it when my dog is free running in a fenced yard or dog 
park so I know where she is.  I got this bell many years ago and have not 
been able to find them again.  I am on my last one so, I hope it lasts for 
ever or else I find where to get them.  I have checked online but most 
stores have the larger very loud cowbell styles at least two to three inches 
that fit on a flat collar by a thick nylon loop.  The tiny bells I like are 
about the size of a regular dog tag and can easily be clipped to the collar 
or the harness.  I am not fond of the round jingle bells.  They are too loud 
and sound too much like Christmas sleigh bells but, I guess the smaller ones 
would due if I can't find anything else.  I have never seen the Claw bells 
that Jenine described.  I agree with Cindy, the websites should have a link 
to a demonstration of how the bells sound.

Sandra and Eva




-----Original Message----- 
From: Tami Jarvis via NAGDU
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 3:55 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: Tami Jarvis
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] collar question

The bear bell has a good sound, but the large ones are kinda loud. One
thing I've noticed while using a louder bell is that people move out of
the way when the dog walks up behind them. So it's convenient for
crowded places. Not sure people in the next store need to hear my dog
walking around, though. Now that Loki's moved into more working than
training, I need to get busy and find light, tinkly bells for when he's
working.

I'm searching claw bells now, so thanks, Jenine, for that lead. :)

Tami

On 05/16/2016 08:01 AM, Caitlyn Furness via NAGDU wrote:
> Mark and I do this when we go to annoying places like the mall.  Weâ?Tve 
> lost each other in there more then a few times, so we use bear bells 
> attached to either the harness or our back packs to help keep track of 
> each other!  although Maggie isnâ?Tt trained to follow, she wonâ?Tt lose 
> Mark, but markâ?Ts dog is less vigelent about this!
>
> Cait
>
>> On May 16, 2016, at 10:01 AM, Dan Weiner via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Well I have been known to put a cow bell or some type of bell on one f 
>> the harness handle rings, that is for when I'm with another blind person 
>> and they can hear where I am, I'm araid it makes noise and that's what 
>> it's suppposed to do. I don't have htem on now as I'm by myself but if 
>> I'm with another blind person it is sometimes useful to just slip them 
>> on.
>>
>> Cordially,
>> Dan W.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenine Stanley 
>> via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 7:12 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Jenine Stanley
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] collar question
>>
>> If you can find them, 2-inch claw bells have a very nice focused sound. 
>> The 1-inch ones Iâ?Tve had are too small to make decent sounds and many 
>> donâ?Tt ring at all but the 2-inch ones are very nice. Just do a search 
>> for claw bells.
>>
>> What are claw bells you ask? they are tubular bells with a serated bottom 
>> edge, large serations, like well, claws.
>>> On May 16, 2016, at 5:36 AM, Caitlyn Furness via NAGDU 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> If I could find bells that are pretty soft sounding and didnâ?Tt make a 
>>> ton of noise, it might be different.
>>>
>>> when I lived in my house, I had bells on all my dogs and it wasnâ?Tt a 
>>> problem.  Guess in this relatively small space of an apartment, though, 
>>> itâ?Ts just too much!
>>>
>>> and I do likehaving the tag silencer on when the dog is working, like 
>>> Julie talked about.  the tag noise can attract loose dogs, and we have a 
>>> ton of those around here we def donâ?Tt need to attract!
>>>
>>> Cait
>>>
>>>> On May 15, 2016, at 1:31 PM, Tami Jarvis via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Caitlyn,
>>>>
>>>> That's funny. I like the tag noise for echolocation and to know where
>>>> my dog is. I also like bells, though I need to get some more soft
>>>> sounding ones. They're forever falling off, and I only notice when I
>>>> feel lilke I'm falling down a cliff because I can't hear the ground
>>>> in front of my dog. /lol/ I got some tracking bells to try them out
>>>> awhile ago, and they stay on the collar and don't break, so that's
>>>> great for out of doors. I need some reasonable bells for Loki,
>>>> though, for when he's working. I also like tags and bells on other
>>>> dogs when they're around, so I know they're there. I just like
>>>> knowing there are dogs around, I guess, so if they jingle, I am
>>>> happy. /shrug/
>>>>
>>>> When Zay, my husband's mutt was young, I used a martingale prong collar 
>>>> to slow her down and to keep my arms attached. I tried using it without 
>>>> removing her nylon martingale, but that didn't work, because she 
>>>> doesn't have a neck. I'm used to poodles with long, long necks like 
>>>> dobies have, so it took me awhile to figure out the problem. /lol/ She 
>>>> outgrew the martingale and is wearing a plain old flat collar now, but 
>>>> she does well at remembering loose leash, so it works. Her nose 
>>>> lengthened out just enough I can pop a GL on her if we're going on long 
>>>> walks, but it's now more of a just-in-case.
>>>>
>>>> I was going to get Loki a Ruffwear collar with a special attachment for 
>>>> licenses and bells. While I was waiting for him to grow into the next 
>>>> size, a friend gave me a collar she'd never used, so that's what he's 
>>>> got. It's desert camo, and it looks good with his black harness. I had 
>>>> planned on blue for him, but camo and black is what we have. If he ever 
>>>> gets past his leash chomping stage (ha!), I'll be doing another 
>>>> Ruffwear buy and probably get him the Crag collar for daily wear and 
>>>> out of doors. Or not. We'll see. He just chomped another leash, but 
>>>> maybe that was a last blast, for old time's sake, and I can get one 
>>>> that isn't all stitched together and inches shorter than it's supposed 
>>>> to be. I want a nice leather collar and leash to match when I get his 
>>>> leather guide harness, but, well... I guess the leash will be very nice 
>>>> and classy until the first chance he has to get his teeth on it.
>>>>
>>>> Tami
>>>>
>>>> On 05/15/2016 04:10 AM, Caitlyn Furness via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>> Just another vote for the double collar method here.. Maggie wears a 
>>>>> leather martingale with her tags on it around the house and to go 
>>>>> outside for potty breaks.  For work, she wears a prong collar, which 
>>>>> doesnâ?Tt interfere with the martingale at all.  I also have a tag 
>>>>> silencer on her tags so they donâ?Tt make noise.  Tag noise drives me 
>>>>> crazy!
>>>>>
>>>>> Cait
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 14, 2016, at 1:07 PM, Jody Ianuzzi via NAGDU 
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do the same thing. Walker's tags are on a nylon collar with his
>>>>>> name on it. His training collar is on his leash which I slip over
>>>>>> his head when we go for a walk.  That way he has his tags on him
>>>>>> all the time.  And I don't have to worry about the training collar
>>>>>> getting caught on anything
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JODY ðYº
>>>>>> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish
>>>>>> sometimes."  DOCTOR WHO (Tom Baker)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 14, 2016, at 12:03 PM, Sonja O via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would you consider a light and thin tag collar?
>>>>>>> My boy chief has a nice leather one and it carries his tag. The 
>>>>>>> leash and collar I'm using are separate.
>>>>>>> The benefit is that whenever I take the collar off, the tag collar 
>>>>>>> just stays on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ella's Lead (Facebook and webpage) has really cute ones and you can 
>>>>>>> pick the width.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The one I have is from Paco Collars and less than half and inch.
>>>>>>> I love it :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope that helps, sonja and chief
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 14, 2016, at 8:20 AM, Emily K. Michael via NAGDU 
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good morning, guide dog users!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a question about tags and collars. My pup wears a training 
>>>>>>>> collar (choke chain) and his ID tag and rabies tag are on a keyring 
>>>>>>>> attached to the dead ring of the collar. However, it seems that 
>>>>>>>> every so often, the keyring starts to separate and then it gets 
>>>>>>>> caught up in the training collarâ?Ts links, which speeds up the 
>>>>>>>> pulling apart of the keyring. Is there a better way to attach the 
>>>>>>>> ID tags to a training collar? A more durable keyring perhaps? Or is 
>>>>>>>> this just one of the drawbacks of the keyring mechanism?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Emily, with York
>>>>>>>> â?"
>>>>>>>> Emily K. Michael
>>>>>>>> emily.k.michael at gmail.com
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>>>>>>>> www.facebook.com/authoremilykmichael/
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