[NAGDU] New equipment! YEEEEEHAAAAAAA!!!!!

S L Johnson SLJohnson25 at comcast.net
Sun Nov 20 19:05:48 UTC 2016


Dar:

Try taking out links until the prong collar stays up where you want it to 
be.  Even with a slender neck the collar should stay up there if it is the 
correct snug fit.  If people say anything to you just tell them you are 
following advice from a trainer.  That takes the heat off you for the 
moment.  Most people will not try to report you to animal control for being 
cruel.  When a guide dog is kept under good control you draw less attention 
from the public. If the collar being up behind her ears does the trick the 
two of you will just go on about your business without as much unwanted 
negative attention.  Good luck with her.

Sandra and Eva

-----Original Message----- 
From: d m gina via NAGDU
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 10:29 AM
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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] New equipment! YEEEEEHAAAAAAA!!!!!

Original message:
> Dar,

> Have you I can't do the head collar until someone works with me with her.
Problem is she hates it so bad she pushes it off and fights.
Gee she is a strong little dog when she gets plum mad.
No I haven't found all of the collars you speak of to keep the other
collar under her chin.
I didn't know what to do, and ready to try anything if it would help me
control her head.
She is wonderful by ourselves, in a crowd she is dreadful.
Or at the vet with other dogs.
She wishes to sniff them as well
It doesn't help when you are told you are in a room with dogs.
Hello what do you expect in a vet situation loll.
Now I understand I am as dumb as they come giggle, but I know I am not
that dumb loll.
I am willing to try anything to help us out in a crowd where she looks
and no matter her strength she can't do what she wishes except whine.
She really wishes to guide, just gets distracted in one second when she
sees something that entertains her.
My other question is this,
If I put the other collar higher under chin, how would you explain it
to the folks who think it is a good thing to call the animal control.
I expect anything.
Just some thoughts.
Yes more links come out of the prong collar.
I can do this if it would help me out.
I just don't want to be mean, or anything like that.
This is why I come to the list for questions not just for me but for
others as well who might be having the same problems.
She has a skinny neck where everything wishes to fall down towards 
shoulders.
Thanks again,
tried placing the collar high up, just behind the ears, and then
> holding the leash so she has about half an inch of slack?  Then as soon as
> the head goes down you will immediately know and be able to react faster.
> If the collar slides down you can try taking links out, if that is 
> possible.
> Also you can put a 2 inch wide collar on and then the prong or chain 
> collar
> above it, so the wide flat collar keeps the other collar from sliding 
> down.
> I did this with Jetta because she has a long slender neck.  But you have a
> lab, so not sure this is the issue or the wide collar trick will help.

> Honestly, I think you've tried all the equipment options that might help,
> prong collar, chain collar, head collar.  I think now it's just a matter 
> of
> time, patience and persistence.  Have you tried keeping a training journal
> or notes of some sort?  This helped me a lot with Jetta.   When I'd get 
> home
> I'd sit down and type out a quick over view of the outing, what went
> horribly, what went well and I'd give it a score.  Every couple of weeks 
> I'd
> reread what I had written.  It helped me to see patterns of behavior and
> make adjustments to my handling.  It also helped me to pull myself out of
> the habit of thinking she was always horrible.  There were days, a lot of
> them, when I felt like there was no end in sight and she was just plain 
> bad.
> That wasn't true, but one incident and I'd start anticipating the next.
> When I started writing, it helped me to see the good things.  Over time we
> sorted through our dramas.  I don't keep notes anymore.

> All my best to you,
> Julie
> New lowered price on my book:
> Courage to Dare: A Blind Woman's Quest to Train her Own Guide Dog
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00QXZSMOC
> -----Original Message-----
> From: d m gina via NAGDU
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 4:31 PM
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] New equipment! YEEEEEHAAAAAAA!!!!!

> Why is it called a sports harness, do you like it better than the regular
> one.
> My dog gets to a place and nose goes on the ground or carpet in a 
> building.
> I try to stop her but that is out of the question until she thinks she
> is done to see if there is anything for her to pick up first.
> I had a person walk away because they didn't like the way I was
> training the dog.
> Using anything over the nose just doesn't work, I am not strong enough
> to fight her.
> She knows this.
> She also doesn't listen to the the prong collar, she feels when she is
> good and ready to listen she does.
> We do everything that is sugested.
> My husband feels this lady here in town is to expensive.
> The other day I twisted my ankle falling off a curb because we wanted
> to visit with the uber driver.
> I screamed was worried my face would hit the car, glad it didn't.
> She got truly corrected.
> When wwalking and someone comes by on the left side sniffing is what you 
> do.
> I even take my knee and bump her on the side to get her back to working
> mode again.
> I was told to get a smaller collar as I did, but all that does is when
> correcting she gets it that she needs to stop doing what she was told to
> stop.
> Where I will stop when I am ready.
> She gets lots of loving playing when we can play outside, quite cold now.
> We also play in the house to get rid of energy.
> I am told give her to three she will grow up really?
> What happens when she turns four loll.
> on a one to one she is good, she wants to do what ever I request.
> So I love reading this stuff to see if there is just one more thing
> that I could buy that would help me out.
> Now I know one shouldn't call the dog a bad name, trust me, when I
> landed on the ankel I echoed all the way down the block.
> A couple came by thinking that the driver pushed me down, where he didn't.
> I am afraid of curbs and steps for this reason.
> Ok my rant is over, I am sure I will be blamed for all of it and that is
> fine.
> Until the shoes I wear are walked in, the blame can't be all of me, and
> I don't give up I will keep trying.

> Original message:
>> Buddy:
>> thanks for sharing  this, and i need to check out that harness:)
>> hoping your well, and keep the wonderful work up!

>>> On Nov 19, 2016, at 6:37 AM, Buddy Brannan via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:

>>> Posted to Hilde's blog yesterday. Feel free to share. I'm happy to too
>>> Julie's horn for her :-) (since she sort of can't on this list...) No
>>> financial interest and all that jazz.

>>> New Equipment! YEEEEEEEHAAAAAAA!!!!

>>> November 18, 2016
>>> We interrupt this streak of not posting anything with a post.

>>> Oohâ?¦a post? Really? Maybe Iâ?Tll post about our trip to the NFBP 
>>> convention
>>> next, but this isnâ?Tt that post.

>>> Over the past few weeks, Iâ?Tve gotten some gear from Julie Johnson, 
>>> whose
>>> site can be found at http://guide-and-service-dogs.com/. Besides useful
>>> information, Julie manufactures a line of some dead useful things at
>>> really good prices. You can also buy from Amazon if you like, as she
>>> sells there. Iâ?Tve gotten a few of them that Iâ?Td like to talk about.

>>> Iâ?Tll briefly mention the first aid kit, which doesnâ?Tt appear to be 
>>> on her
>>> site. Itâ?Ts a handy zippered bag full of, surprisingly, first aid
>>> supplies. There are bandages, ointment, vet wrap, and an emergency
>>> blanket. Itâ?Ts a handy size to stash either in your home or in your
>>> luggage for travel.

>>> Next, the collar bells are a pretty good idea for keeping track of your
>>> dog around the house, so that s/he will (theoretically) stay out of
>>> trouble. Julie sent me a set in trade for an honest review, and then
>>> Amazon changed their review rules. Still, Iâ?Tll happily give an honest
>>> review for them anyway. These are just your standard jingle bells on a
>>> nylon strap with side release buckle. The set comes with three sizes: 
>>> one
>>> set with two very small bells, a medium sized bell, and a larger bell,
>>> each on its own strap. These would be great for a fairly quiet indoor
>>> environment. The bells arenâ?Tt very loud, so they wouldnâ?Tt be 
>>> appropriate
>>> for outdoor use. The strap is only a couple inches long, with the 
>>> plastic
>>> side release buckle closure, sort of like the buckles that snap your
>>> backpack together. Be aware, however, that these buckles are very small,
>>> so if you have dexterity issues, you may have trouble with them. The set
>>> I have is not adjustable, but Julie is thinking about making some that
>>> can be shortened if necessary. These would be most appropriate on a flat
>>> collar; just put the strap around the width of the collar and close,
>>> letting them hang down. I donâ?Tt think these would work very well with 
>>> a
>>> slip collar, though they might with a martingale collar. I can usually
>>> hear these, when Fiona isnâ?Tt barking loudly, or if Hilde is not in
>>> stealth mode, so theyâ?Tre pretty handy. Iâ?Td probably get louder 
>>> bells,
>>> just because we have some loud household members, but it wouldnâ?Tt 
>>> matter
>>> a lot, because this dog can move unbelievably quietly.

>>> There are two things that a guide dog user must have. OK, three. One is 
>>> a
>>> collar of some kind. Hilde wears both a flat collar, for tags, and a
>>> training collar, either a toggle collar or a prong collar, depending.
>>> Julie has flat collars and martingale collars, but I donâ?Tt have either
>>> one of those. I do have a collar with Hildeâ?Ts name and my phone number 
>>> on
>>> it, in case she gets lost. This collar also has reflective stuff on it. 
>>> I
>>> have a link somewhere if anyoneâ?Ts interested.

>>> But the other two things that a guide dog handler really has to have are
>>> a leash and a harness. Julie makes both out of quality nylon webbing. 
>>> Weâ?Tre
>>> most of us used to leather, and leather is really nice. I have a leather
>>> harness as well, and itâ?Ts great. Durable, classy, practical, fairly 
>>> easy
>>> to maintain. Nylon, however, also has advantages. Itâ?Ts light weight 
>>> and
>>> even easier to clean, and donâ?Tt forget, itâ?Ts also inexpensive. 
>>> Iâ?Tve used
>>> a nylon harness over the past six or seven years on and off. I like them
>>> especially for these Erie winters with all the dirt and grit and road
>>> salt and heavens only know what. So really, donâ?Tt discount the nylon.

>>> First, the leash. You can get any length you like. I prefer shorter
>>> leashes, such as the Seeing Eye uses, about four feet long when in its
>>> extended long leash length. However, you can get one thatâ?Ts 5 or 6 
>>> feet
>>> if you prefer.

>>> Julie does something kind of neat, for which I will take at least 
>>> partial
>>> credit. I say partial because I think thereâ?Ts a school that does the 
>>> same
>>> thing, but I canâ?Tt remember which one.

>>> Iâ?Tm lazy. So last year, when Hilde was a pup, I called Handcraft 
>>> Collars
>>> to ask if they could make me some guide dog leashes out of tubular 
>>> nylon.
>>> I had to describe what I wanted. So, instead of the usual arrangement
>>> where you can hook to one ring for a short leash, towards the bottom
>>> snap, and another ring near the top, for a long leash, I just had Debbie
>>> put in one ring at the bottom, to make a short leash, while leaving a
>>> standard handle with the bolt snap strung on the end of the handle. That
>>> way, all you have to do to get a long leash is disconnect from the 
>>> bottom
>>> ring. Several months later, I told Julie about that, she said, â?oHey, 
>>> why
>>> didnâ?Tt I think of that?â?, and thus, the Quick Convert Service Dog 
>>> Leash
>>> was born.

>>> I now have one of those, too. Itâ?Ts a little heavier than the ones from
>>> Handcraft. Still, the stitching is quality, as is the hardware. Rather
>>> than a standard ring, Julie uses a D-ring. The bolt snaps are heavy duty
>>> ones, thicker than the ones on my Handcraft leashes. She uses nylon
>>> webbing, which is a bit grippier than the very slippery tubular nylon 
>>> is,
>>> as well as a bit wider. Actually, the 3/4 inch width is as close to
>>> perfect as it gets. Itâ?Ts good stuff, and I highly recommend these, and
>>> not just because it was sort of my lazy idea. Sort of. I stole it from
>>> somewhere else. Southeastern maybe?

>>> Finally, the harness. Iâ?Tm a budding guide dog equipment nerd. I love
>>> guide dog equipment. Iâ?Td love to see all sorts of different harness
>>> designs. Even so, I have very definite opinions on what makes a good
>>> harness. Of course, it has to be as comfortable as possible for the dog.
>>> Ease of putting on and taking off is desirable. A removable handle is a
>>> definite plus, and, while I wouldnâ?Tt say Iâ?Td never have a harness 
>>> without
>>> a removable handle, Iâ?Tll always take a removable handle over a fixed
>>> handle. One thing thatâ?Ts an absolute deal breaker, however, is the
>>> martingale strap. Ever since I got my first Seeing Eye dog, I have 
>>> gotten
>>> very spoiled by this seemingly simple extra strap that runs between the
>>> dogâ?Ts front legs, from the belly strap to the chest strap in whatever
>>> configuration. Besides giving the dog more to pull into, the extra strap
>>> stabilizes the harnessâ?Ts movement from side to side (so it doesnâ?Tt 
>>> move
>>> so much), and makes it harder for your dog to accidentally back out of
>>> the harness.

>>> The Sports Style Guide Harness meets all of these requirements. This is
>>> the second harness of this design that Iâ?Tve owned, and Julie has made
>>> some improvements. Itâ?Ts made with wide 2-inch nylon straps and comes 
>>> in
>>> several different colors. For Hilde, I got it in blue. The harness 
>>> straps
>>> are padded to make it more comfortable for the dog to wear. Youâ?Tll 
>>> notice
>>> right away that the design of the harness is different from most guide
>>> dog schools. Instead of one strap that goes around the chest from one
>>> side of the dog to the other, the harness is made with two straps that
>>> run from the back strap, over the dogâ?Ts shoulders, and meeting in the
>>> center of the dogâ?Ts chest at the breastbone. The martingale strap then
>>> runs back from this juncture, such that the three straps form something
>>> like a print letter Y. Youâ?Tll also notice the absence of handle
>>> stabilizing loops, or â?obunny earsâ? that are present on most American
>>> harnesses. This isnâ?Tt nearly as scary as you might suppose. While it 
>>> does
>>> afford the opportunity for more freedom of movement for the dog, the new
>>> handle has a much more rigid connection with the harness, so the handle
>>> really isnâ?Tt in a lot of danger of flipping up too high as it could 
>>> with
>>> the previous PVC handle. Anyway, since there are no loops, thereâ?Ts 
>>> less
>>> bulk, and less bulk for your dog to have to lie on, which sounds a lot
>>> more comfortable. The belly strap is adjustable with a sliding buckle,
>>> and closes at the right side with a plastic side release buckle of the
>>> sort that youâ?Td use to close a backpack. This buckle is quite large 
>>> and
>>> sturdy.

>>> The handle, as I said, is an improvement over the previous generation.
>>> The new handles are made of a flat metal stock wrapped in nylon. It is
>>> removable, attaching to the harness with plastic side release buckles.
>>> Donâ?Tt let that put you off, however; Iâ?Tve used a harness with 
>>> similar
>>> handle attachments for a while with no problems. The buckles are sturdy
>>> and Iâ?Tve never had one disconnect during travel. Julie has also put a
>>> comfortable rubber handgrip on the handle, with finger grooves in the
>>> front. Itâ?Ts a very comfortable grip, even for a dog with quite a bit 
>>> of
>>> pull. I'd maybe prefer a bit more of a rounded grip, maybe a little
>>> padding under the grip, but even with that, I like it. Youâ?Tll have
>>> absolutely no trouble following your dog due to â?osloppyâ? handle
>>> connections, because the connections are definitely not sloppy and 
>>> donâ?Tt
>>> have excessive play in them at all. Highly recommended, especially for
>>> the price.

>>> Anyway, if youâ?Tre owner training, or if you just need or want 
>>> alternative
>>> equipment, give these a look. You wonâ?Tt be sorry.

>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: 814-860-3194
>>> Mobile: 814-431-0962
>>> Email: buddy at brannan.name







>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: 814-860-3194
>>> Mobile: 814-431-0962
>>> Email: buddy at brannan.name





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