[NAGDU] {Spam?} Handle signs, and more on how to get my dog disengaged from people

Sun Sep 18 16:14:28 UTC 2016

Tracy,

Sometimes a cold tone and flat expression while saying, "He's working," 
does the trick. Otherwise, ignoring the person and directing the dog to 
leave it and go forward, or praise for the dog for not engaging also 
gets the message across. I think I've heard myself say, "Just let him do 
his job," or the like. "Leave him alone" would also work as a positive 
directive, especially with a clipped tone.

With people who are extra dense and blocking my path so I can't just 
dodge around them, I use long-winded technical explanations in a 
lecturing tone to inspire them to find other entertainment. /lol/ By 
that time, I'm usually having happy fantasies of whipping my folded cane 
out of my pocket and whacking them with it, but I'm pretty sure that 
wouldn't turn out so well in reality. So I just annoy them into leaving. 
Whatever works, I guess.

I used to feel like I was being rude and all that. Then one day it 
occurred to me that people who interfere with my dog are being rude, 
possibly putting me in danger and also adding stress to my dog. So I 
don't need to be nice in that case. I just need to end the interference. 
If people approach politely and ask if they can say hi to the dog, then 
I talk to them politely. And so on.

Tami

On 09/18/2016 08:40 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
> Hi Julie.
> That's interesting.  So, if some shmuck reaches to pat the dog while you're
> getting ready to cross the street, you say "Hands off the dog."?  I'm trying
> to work out how to give such an instruction without saying "don't".  Would
> "Stop distracting the dog" work? But that seems to non-specific for an
> idiot.
> Tracy
>
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> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 7:37 AM
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] {Spam?} Handle signs, and more on how to get my dog
> disengaged from people
>
> It reminds me of that book I was reading a while ago about training air line
> personnel for emergency situations.  They are trained to give passengers
> extremely brief, to the point instructions without the word no in them.  So
> things like: "turn right", "head down, brace" Or "sit down".  There is no
> please or don't do that, just exactly what needs to happen and nothing else.
>
> It's how I've moved to interacting with most of the public.  It's not mean,
> but neither is it inviting.  It's just matter of fact, this is what is going
> to happen.  It works, incredibly well.
>
> That's all for when I'm shopping or getting somewhere or otherwise engaged
> in living my life.  When I actually want to engage in conversation with
> people a different approach is needed.  Then I look at people, smile more,
> nod a bit and join in the conversation.  If the dog comes up, generally I
> talk a minute or two on that and then smoothly transition to something else.
>
> It works about 90% of the time and the other 10% I write about here so you
> guys can all laugh along, or shake your heads or groan. *smile*  I haven't
> had any craziness for months, I'm probably due for some nonsense!
>
> Julie
> New lowered price on my book:
> Courage to Dare: A Blind Woman's Quest to Train her Own Guide Dog
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00QXZSMOC
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Weiner via NAGDU
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 6:04 AM
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> Cc: Dan Weiner
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] {Spam?} Handle signs, and more on how to get my dog
> disengaged from people
>
> I find that the harness signs  give people something interesting to read
> while petting my dog--lolol
>
> Anyway, never found they worked for mebut I'm not trying to say that someone
> else shouldn't use them, just my experience.
> Take care, everyone
>
> Dan the man, Parker the nut
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bianka via NAGDU
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 4:11 AM
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> Cc: Bianka
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] {Spam?} Handle signs, and more on how to get my dog
> disengaged from people
>
> Hi list,
>
> Interesting peace there about perception and the slight movement.
>
> Well, personally, I don't feel that signs really work. And I like the
> psychological explanation.
>
> Usually Ijust tell my dog that we are going to continue and I tell the
> person that my dog is off-limits when in harness. There are people who just
> will never learn it and I have had to learn to not get excited over this but
> just to get my dog's attention back as fast as I can.
>
> I might try the leash movement though I wouldn't want to do it when waiting
> at a traffic light because I don't want to loose direction by
> unintentionally changing my position.
>
> as for echo location and expanding perception I do feel that there is
> potential there. However, i haven't really found a lot of people who
> approach this topic with an open mind but stay grounded.
>
> Take care,
>
> Bianka
>
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